What Happened to State Dept'ers in Mexico Who Suspected LHO-Cuba Ties

[John Corbett]

LP:

You are correct, Booth was (we read) part of a plot.

I don't know why Dulles said what he said about all presidential assassinations being LN-jobs, except possibly to underline for the WC that they were on the LN track. Dulles attended more WC meetings than any other commissioner, and seemed to be the most influential. Obviously, he was former CIA.

Since I was not alive in 1865, and never saw Booth, I will not contest Booth for being the most handsome in US history. Maybe I am only the second-most handsome man in US history.

Or, for you English teachers, perhaps I am the second most handsome man in US history.

Liittle known fact:

In 1864 People magazine named Booth their Sexiest Man Alive.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

I still see no evidence that Mann and/or Thomas were punished for asking questions about what Oswald did in Mexico City. Thomas is a little fuzzier admittedly; but I don't see where Mann was punished. Being appointed Assistant Secretary of State and, at the same time, head of USAID is not for me a "transfer." It's two promotions. He left the posts in 1967 because a new Administration was coming in. And during the period he was in the LBJ Administration he held some influence.

Let's stick with Mann. Here is his interview (summary) with the HSCA. Nowhere does he mention anything about being punished. He says that Dean Rusk ordered the State Department officials to cease inquiring about this question of what Oswald did in MC. Nothing about the CIA or FBI or others inquiring.

Here is the interview: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=109665#relPageId=2&search=Mann

Here, for me, is a key point:



Right, so Rusk and others (unnamed) were worried about disclosing US covert operations. Nothing about worries about WWIII.

[Benjamin Cole]

I dunno, not even sure what Mann meant that there was a 99% chance that LHO-Cuba-KGB links were not explored as it would lead to a US covert op.

A US covert op run by Bruce Solie, now considered a KGB asset? Or LHO was in fact a low-level CIA asset, like much of anti-Castro Cuban exile militia? 

Mann said he was told to back off LHO-Cuba leads. Obviously, Thomas was torpedoed.

My take is the JFKA-LN narrative was settled on within 48 hours, maybe less.

If LHO was in league with G2 or KGB, the WC investigation was not going to find that out.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

The "Oswald attended a party where he met Cuban agents" claim was investigated back in 1964 when the CIA/FBI first heard about it all. They didn't wait until 1975 or later. They looked into it at that time. The original story came from Elena Garro de Paz, a noted Mexican novelist and the wife of the famous poet Octavio Paz. Thomas first interviewed her about the story, gave it to the FBI and CIA who then checked it all out. They found no substance to the claims.

Thomas and Mann simply didn't believe the FBI and CIA and wanted a further investigation. To suggest it wasn't investigated is incorrect.

The HSCA reported on this in the so-called "Lopez Report." You can start here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=799#relPageId=220&search=garro

[Benjamin Cole]

SMG--

See my post on LBJ and Castro.

This out-take is interesting

Vladimir Rodriguez Lahera, a top-ranking Cuban intelligence agent, defected in April 1964 in Ottawa, Canada.  He requested asylum in the U.S.   He turned to be a motherload of information.   On the specific question if Castro’s agents had any previous connection with Oswald, the answer was yes.  Oswald was in contact with Cuban agents before his trip to Mexico City on September 27, 1963.  He had maintained contact with them after he returned to the U.S.[32]  Rodriguez Lahera also stated that Oswald contacts in the Cuban Consulate included Luisa Calderon, a DGI officer on the secretarial staff at the Embassy.  She was rushed into seclusion immediately after Kennedy’s assassination.  She was not allowed to testify for the Warren Commission.  In 1997 Luisa Calderon was reported working for a government radio station as an English language editor.[33]

In 2005, Oscar Marino an intelligence Cuban defector, detailed what he knew of Oswald’s visit to the Cuban diplomatic mission in Mexico City. Marino stated that “Oswald volunteered to kill Kennedy and that Cuban diplomats in Mexico City had advanced knowledge of Oswald’s assassination plan.” “He adopted our plans as his own- his idea was a natural project of our wish. He was an instrument of the G2 (Cuban Intelligence).  It makes no difference whether he volunteered or was used. It ends up the same.”[34]

[John Corbett]

Why does Thomas Graves and Ben Cole start all of these inane, non sequitur threads that invariably lead to nowhere, answers no questions, always touch on the "unknowable" and pretty much just fill up forum space with these profound inanities uttered by one, Thomas Graves?

Did you two ever think that the things you two think of, and then actually go so far as to actually make a thread about, are mere "inquiries" by yourselves and yourselves alone, made up in your own heads, to attempt to appear erudite in this case when all you really end up doing is making fools of yourselves.

Can either of you two post a topic that might actually lead somewhere instead of these brain farts that you receive from God only knows where?

You know, that thing they call "research"

Believe it or not, there are many other researchers out there, good ones too, that never and I mean NEVER, dream up the kind of inane questions and topics that you two do.

There is a reason for that.

Can you two brainstorm together and come up with the correct answer as to what that reason may be?

 

Two thumbs up!!!

[Lance Payette]

Two thumbs up!!!

Ms. Wheeler's contributions seem awfully (suspiciously?) harsh for someone with a mere handful of posts. Perhaps there is a history of which I am unaware. The fact is, Tom's participation in the JFKA goes w-a-y back, and he made some good contributions before he went completely off the KGB/TDS cliff. I have simply put him on Ignore, which is simpler than haranguing at him. Ben likewise goes way back and has raised some good points over the years. His G2 stuff flows from the work of Gus Russo, whose contributions to JFKA research I highly respect. While I enjoy verbal jousting and have a Ph.D in Snarkiness Studies, I don't see that anything is gained by just calling people stupid and delusional. An internet forum that limited itself to non-stupid, non-delusional contributors would be very thinly populated. I happen to think that both the KGB and G2 angles are misguided for the reasons I've set forth, but they aren't insane.