Ed Smith dang near spilled the beans

[John Corbett]

TG-

Yes, I suspect LHO was waved through at the Russian border on some sort of sign from whoever the border guards worked for.

It is speculation, of course, but a good guess is LHO was a de facto KGB asset, working for Bruce Solie, himself a de facto KGB asset.

Did de Mohrenschildt induce or encourage LHO to take a potshot at Gen. Walker? The "hunter of fascists ha-ha-ha" BYP photo? Did LHO prove his mettle by doing so?

Then, LHO meets with KGB wetworks man Kostikov in MC, and two other KGB'ers. And pals round with G2 in MC too.

Castro publicly states in September the Kennedy brothers could find out what goes around comes around, when it come to assassination attempts.

Interesting.

So I guess Castro got LHO the job at the TSBD so that he would be in position to assassinate JFK during a motorcade that had not even been planned.

[Benjamin Cole]

TG:

Sheesh, we are 60 years after the fact in trying to decipher the Bruce Solie-Nosenko-KGB-Oswald stuff, and since everyone is dead, we only have access to (online) paper records, and what fraction of real info was ever put on paper?

I have respect for Tennent Bagley's work, and what I know about the man. I never met him and I don't remember meeting anyone from the CIA in my whole life. I might have back in the 1980s but I now forget if they were CIA or ONI.

But Bagley strikes me as intelligent and earnest.

I lean to Solie at least being compromised, and perhaps a full-on KGB asset. Of course, Solie could have wanted to look compromised, so he could leak bad info to the KGB.

Like looking through the fog on a dark night.

But then, I can see with my own eyes Gov. JBC's apparently un-injured hand holding onto his Texas Stetson hat at Z-275.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

[Tom Graves]

Solie could have wanted to look compromised so he could leak bad info to the KGB.

LOL!

Is that why he "cleared" putative KGB staff officer / false-defector-in-place in Geneva in 1962 / false (or perhaps rogue) physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964 Yuri "The KGB Didn't Even Interview Marine U-2 Radar Operator Oswald During The 2.5 Years He Lived In The USSR" Nosenko in 1968 via a bogus polygraph exam and a specious report, is that why he helped probable mole Leonard V. McCoy "lose" Shadrin to KGB kidnappers in Vienna in 1975, and is that why he hid Office of Security files on Oswald from the Church Committee and the HSCA?

I can see with my own eyes Governor Connally's apparently un-injured hand holding onto his Stetson at Z-275.

LOL!

Translation: You can definitely see something "that might or might not be."

[Benjamin Cole]

TG-

As stated, from a distance of 60+ years, it appears Solie was compromised, and that is the opinion of John Newman and  yourself. Tennent Bagley thought it was possible.

OTOH, letting Nosenko into the US was a relatively harmless exercise.

Lots of people though-out the national security state hid documents from the WC and the HSCA.

For that matter, we have no idea what true or fake document are hidden in G2 KGB vaults, or which have been destroyed, which might shed light on Solie and LHO.

A wilderness of mirrors, and lot of fog about.

And there is plenty of evidence the WC wanted no part of any links between CIA'ers, LHO and the KGB or G2, or even considered that there might be some linkages.

[Tom Graves]

It appears Solie was compromised.

"Compromised," or a mole?

Letting Nosenko into the US was a relatively harmless exercise.

Not if FEDORA was a Kremlin-loyal triple agent at the FBI's NYC field office, and if Solie, Leonard V. McCoy, and Russia-born George Kisevalter were KGB moles in the CIA.

You are aware, aren't you, that after Nosenko was "cleared" by Solie he was given a gig at the Agency teaching "counterintelligence" to its and the FBI's new recruits?

Lots of people though-out the national security state hid documents from the WC and the HSCA.

"The National Security State"?

You sound like Comrade Jim DiEugenio.

Lots of people hid documents from the Warren Commission and the HSCA.

Did they arrange to have the incoming non-CIA cables on Oswald's upcoming defection rerouted to their office rather than where they would normally go -- the Soviet Russia Division -- and have the ones that mentioned Oswald's threatening to commit U-2 radar espionage disappear into a "black hole" there until after the assassination?

For that matter, we have no idea what true or fake document are hidden in G2 KGB vaults, or which have been destroyed, which might shed light on Solie and LHO.

Point being?

And there is plenty of evidence the WC wanted no part of any links between CIA'ers, LHO and the KGB or G2, or even considered that there might be some linkages.

Point being?

 

[Benjamin Cole]

1. You are aware, aren't you, that after Nosenko was "cleared" by Solie he was given a gig at the Agency teaching "counterintelligence" to its and the FBI's new recruits?--TG

I am not sure what danger this posed to the US. The curriculum was likely approved.

Usually suspected KGB assets are watched, meaning if they leak info to the KGB, then they can be fed false info to leak.

2. The "national security state." Seems like a neutral expression. The US has 18 intel agencies, and a Department of War, biggest in the world. In some ways we all live in an panopticon, for reasons good and bad. If some leftie-weenie ideologues use this expression...so what? Frankly, the stalemate in Ukraine has been horrific in human terms, but a huge win for draining Russia to the bottom of the barrel. I am glad this happened. Maybe the national security state planned it out.

3. I am aware of your CT's regarding Solie, and many other CIA'ers, and the re-directing of cables. But Solie is not around to present his narrative. I will say this: Tennent Bagley said he thought LHO was a witting asset. If true, that would mean LHO was wittingly following orders of someone in the CIA, possibly Solie. Interesting.

4. There may be KGB-G2 files that exonerate or implicate Solie. We will never see them. It is a blind spot.

[Tom Graves]

[...]

You seem to think it was fine for a KGB agent [Nosenko] to know the names and faces of the people he was lecturing in the CIA and the FBI.

"Usually, suspected KGB assets are watched."

LOL!

In this case, your boy Nosenko would have been watched by people from probable mole Solie's Office of Security -- IF they suspected that he was fake.

When Malcolm Blunt showed Tennent H. Bagley that someone had arranged with the Records Integration Division and the Office of Mail Logistics for the incoming non-CIA cables on Oswald's "defection" to be routed to a part of the CIA other than where they should have gone -- the Soviet Russia Division -- Bagley realized that someone had sent Oswald to Moscow to "defect." Bagley didn't realize that that person was probably Bruce Leonard Solie -- the same guy who ended up "clearing" false-defector-in-place-in-Geneva-in-June-1962 / false (or perhaps rogue) physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964, Yuri Nosenko, until Blunt showed him that in April of 1964, Solie had tried to talk W. David Slawson into letting Nosenko testify to the Warren Commission, even though CIA Counterintelligence and the aforementioned Soviet Russia Division had serious doubts about his bona fides. At that point, Bagley said, "Let's put Solie on the list [of possible moles]."