Released Videos From The Pentagon's First Batch Of UFO Files

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Online Joe Elliott

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« Reply #42 on: Today at 03:24:59 AM »
My Two Cents is that JFK was assassinated by Oswald alone and that we have not been visited by Alien Spacecraft. Space is just too vast. Too hard to make the journey. And there are philosophical reasons to believe that we cannot visit other starts and aliens cannot visit ours.


First of all, the constants of fundamental properties of physics, strength of gravity, the strength of electric attraction of protons and electrons, just happened to be set perfectly to allow the existence of stars, planets, life and intelligent life. The odds of this happening by sheer luck alone are astronomical. How did this happen?

Well, for most people, the answer is obvious. God set up the universe that way.

I do not go along with this. I am biased against supernatural explanations. Maybe I am wrong, but that is my bias.

I go along with the theory that universes are being created all the time, with different properties. In most of these universes, life never forms. In a small fraction of universes, life can form and does form and sometimes develops intelligent beings that wonder how they could be so lucky.


Now, let's imagine a catalog that contains a card that corresponds to a star which has intelligent life. The majority of these cards should occur in universes with lots of civilizations. So, most likely, we live in a universe with lots of civilizations that develop around certain stars.

What kind of property should such a universe have:

* Lots of stars that provide potential for a civilization to develop.

* Some 'mechanism' that makes it basically impossible for a civilization, even with advanced technology, to visit other stars. Otherwise, an early civilization could form first, quickly colonize other star systems, and prevent other civilizations from ever forming. Such a universe would develop relatively few civilizations and so, statistically, we are probably not in such a universe.


Does our universe look something like this? Yes, it is vast. With hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with billions, even hundreds of billions of stars. And there is 'mechanism' that likely prevent the visiting of other solar systems, which will prevent one civilization preventing other potential civilizations from ever forming? Again, yes, the vast distances between stars which scientists just don't see a way of technology of ever overcoming.

So no, I do not think we have ever been visited by aliens.
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« Reply #43 on: Today at 04:34:15 AM »
For the most part, I agree with everything you wrote about Oswald and space aliens. The obstacles to interstellar travel are mind boggling. As for the creation of our universe or other universes, that is a complete mystery to me. I have no idea how that could happen but somehow it did. Science can take us back to the Big Bang but I want to know what came before the Big Bang and what triggered the Big Bang. I don't know what the answer to that is and I doubt I ever will but until that fundamental question is answered, I don't rule anything in or anything out.

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Re: Released Videos From The Pentagon's First Batch Of UFO Files
« Reply #44 on: Today at 01:19:35 PM »
My Two Cents is that JFK was assassinated by Oswald alone and that we have not been visited by Alien Spacecraft. Space is just too vast. Too hard to make the journey. And there are philosophical reasons to believe that we cannot visit other starts and aliens cannot visit ours.

And the vast majority of those who have been deeply involved with the UFO phenomenon over the past 50+ years agree with you - few think "space aliens" in saucers explains the phenomenon. Repeating the "space aliens" mantra does not make this highly mysterious phenomenon disappear.

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I go along with the theory that universes are being created all the time, with different properties. In most of these universes, life never forms. In a small fraction of universes, life can form and does form and sometimes develops intelligent beings that wonder how they could be so lucky.

For which there is even less evdience than "space aliens." Some of the best physicists have admitted that the "many worlds" or "multiverse" hypothesis is little more than an an entirely evidence-free effort to avoid the theistic implications of the Intelligent Design explanation for the one universe we do know exists.

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« Reply #45 on: Today at 01:38:33 PM »
And the vast majority of those who have been deeply involved with the UFO phenomenon over the past 50+ years agree with you - few think "space aliens" in saucers explains the phenomenon. Repeating the "space aliens" mantra does not make this highly mysterious phenomenon disappear.

For which there is even less evdience than "space aliens." Some of the best physicists have admitted that the "many worlds" or "multiverse" hypothesis is little more than an an entirely evidence-free effort to avoid the theistic implications of the Intelligent Design explanation for the one universe we do know exists.

As I already stated, when it comes to the origin of the cosmos, I don't rule anything in or out since we have no definitive proof of how it happened. I don't know what is more mind boggling, that there was a beginning of time or that there wasn't a beginning of time. I do believe there is life elsewhere in the universe and that some of it has evolved into intelligence equal to or greater than ours. I don't know what the odds of intelligent life forming in on any given planet but I have a hard time believing the earth is unique among the trillions of galaxies that make up the cosmos.

Somebody once asked Stephen Hawking what came before the Big Bang. He said "That's like asking what is north of the north pole.". To me, that was the equivalent of saying, "It's a mystery.".