Released Videos From The Pentagon's First Batch Of UFO Files

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Offline Lance Payette

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Re: Released Videos From The Pentagon's First Batch Of UFO Files
« Reply #49 on: Today at 02:16:02 PM »
As long as the U.S. Government still officially denies that the UFO sightings and even the UFO photos and video footage are not extraterrestrial aircraft, most WC apologists will come up with their usual lame excuses for dismissing this evidence as "mistaken" or "hoaxes," even though dozens of former government officials, government contractors, and military personnel, some of them quite senior in rank, have now come forward and acknowledged that UFOs exist and that the UFOs most certainly are not experimental U.S. Government/Russian/Chinese aircraft.

I worked in military intelligence for decades. These UFOs exhibit capabilities that are far beyond U.S./Russian/Chinese capabilities. The recently released Navy footage of a UFO totally debunks the notion that we're talking about classified experimental aircraft.

During my time in the military, I knew two air traffic controllers back in the 1980s and 1990s who told me they tracked UFOs traveling at speeds and doing maneuvers that vastly, drastically exceeded the capabilities of our most advanced fighter jets. One of the air recon flights that I supported in the 1980s encountered a UFO over the Mediterranean Sea. I personally talked to some of the intel operatives on that flight (since I held the same Top Secret clearance that they held), and they confirmed that they saw the UFO with their own eyes and that it outmaneuvered their recon jet like it was a horse-drawn buggy trying to deal with an Indy 500 race car.

I believe that as long as debunkers and those who recognize the legitimacy of the phenomenon persist in limiting their thinking and the discussion to "ET craft," the discussion will go nowhere. "ET craft" cannot possibly be the full explanation unless earth is the Disneyland of the universe or a single alien civilization is generating fleets of holographic "craft" or something of that sort. "ET craft" just doesn't fit the phenomenon in its totality.

Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Released Videos From The Pentagon's First Batch Of UFO Files
« Reply #50 on: Today at 03:23:11 PM »
One of the things I find curious about all this UFO-mania is that it seems these aliens come in many different forms as do their spaceships. It almost seems like we are being visited by aliens not from another planet but from many different planets. All at once. What are the odds?

I have to say it is kind of boring restricting my beliefs to what evidence tells me. It must be so much more interesting to believe in things based on imagination and speculation.

You believe in an early missed shot. It does not get any more imaginative or speculative than that. It is flat out fantasy.

Offline Lance Payette

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Re: Released Videos From The Pentagon's First Batch Of UFO Files
« Reply #51 on: Today at 04:12:13 PM »
Debunkers and naysayers across all areas of what I call Weirdness – including the JFKA, UFOs and almost all types of anomalous phenomena – are really quite fascinating. They pride themselves on being exceedingly rational critical thinkers, but they are actually the opposite.

The first tactic is to dismiss all testimonial accounts as “not evidence.” Evidence, you see, is only that which can be falsified. This is an artificially narrow definition that is not even the standard in the hard sciences.

One then points out that in many areas of weirdness, including UFOs, there are literally thousands and thousands of highly detailed reports spanning decades from witnesses as unlikely as Aborigines and African tribesmen to highly trained military observers, pilots and professors. Many, many reports involve multiple witnesses and withstand intense scrutiny. Can this vast body of testimonial evidence simply be dismissed? Yes, it can – it’s “not evidence.”

But wait, you point out: Many, many of those reports are accompanied by physical evidence – radar reports, electrical interference, damage to ground and foliage. Here, the debunkers play a bit of a shell game. The physical evidence receives some mundane “explanation” that is completely at odds with what the witnesses reported – but that’s OK, because what they reported is “not evidence.” The radar was malfunctioning, cars and generators sometimes just quit, a family of moose caused that damage.

There is also the game of trying to pigeonhole the phenomenon: UFOs are pigeonholed as “space aliens,” even though this not what most serious students of the phenomenon believe (or least accept as a full explanation of the phenomenon). Why the pigeonholing? Oh, because the pigeonhole is always phrased in a way that sounds slightly silly and is a relatively easy target because many of the most mysterious aspects of the phenomenon can then simply be ignored.

Lastly, the debunkers and naysayers seldom – almost never – really know what they are talking about. They have no depth of knowledge because they assume the subject is beneath them, mere entertainment for credulous cranks. Credulous cranks like Nobel Laureates and the Pentagon. Ya think?

When the Pentagon itself releases videos that observers of the highest caliber agree show “Something” exhibiting performance characteristics that are far beyond any earthly technology and that defy the known laws of physics, what do we get? Still, “Not evidence.” Or perhaps, “Don’t know what it is and don’t really care, but it ain’t space aliens 'cause there ain't no space aliens.”

It’s a bizarre, head-in-the-sand approach to a subject that is of potentially far greater significance than any in the history of mankind. I can only attribute it to fear. It is anything but rational critical thinking. The fact that these folks portray themselves – and perhaps even view themselves – as hard-nosed critical thinkers is literally comical.

I think there’s a lesson here for discussions of the JFKA as well. It’s less a lesson for CTers than for LN zealots because the latter seem to be the ones who exhibit the debunker mentality I’m talking about. I have said that hardcore LN zealots are more puzzling to me than rational CTers (or at least rational questioners of the LN narrative), but I guess I shouldn’t be too puzzled because I’ve encountered this mindset across the entire spectrum of Weirdness and religion.

Online John Corbett

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Re: Released Videos From The Pentagon's First Batch Of UFO Files
« Reply #52 on: Today at 04:49:58 PM »
The mindset of the "hardcore LN zealots" stems from knowing we are right about a simple double homicide case for which the evidence is absolutely conclusive. The only thing that puzzles us is why so many people have such a hard time figuring it out.