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Zapruder film "fakery" and the ED Forum Kooks!
Michael Capasse:
So the entire film is not in the WC record. Only frames 171-334 - the WC film was a Secret Service Copy
The quality was horrible as were most photographs that went in - one only has to look at them. Many pictures were cropped or left out completely.
The first frame they showed Zapruder was 185. He too made a comment about the sub-par quality
"...Of course, on the film they could see better but you take an 8 millimeter and you enlarge it in color or in black and white, you lose a lot of detail. I wish I had an enlarger here for you."
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on May 09, 2026, 11:33:34 AM ---After looking at the above briefing board, I noticed what at first seemed to be a sprocket hole on the lower left corner of Z314, which could add evidence that the Zapruder film that they had on the 23rd was the unmasked original. So I had a look online for the SS copy and the best I could find was from a video posted by "The JFK Theorist" but frustratingly he wasn't sure where he got it from.
NOTICE: video 87.38 is NOT sourced from the National Archives, but I cannot remember where it originates from. I added it as a replacement because 87.38 is not available online and probably will not be for a while. I cannot and will not confirm that the replacement is the same as 87.38, but I believe it is extremely similar and originates from the Secret Service, presumably the Dallas Secret Service.
Anyway, I used this copy and overlayed the Z314 from the briefing board to see if the sprocket hole lined up with the respective Z314 and the holes don't line up.
But what is interesting is that instead of cropping the original at the limit of the sprocket holes, the briefing board Z314 was cropped on the LHS at the exact limit of the masked off area, on what is most probably a copy of the SS original. Also worth noting is that after reviewing several images of 8mm film that has the sprocket holes masked off by the camera or by post processing, this left edge isn't always consistent in relation to the sprocket holes. And additionally, the briefing board photo wasn't exactly square, so I applied corrective software to square it up with Z314 and TBH it's still fractionally off but insignificant enough as to not affect the above conclusion.
JohnM
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That Sunday Briefing Board Crew were "D Lister's". Who would give their best material/Original Z Film to a group of "D Lister's"? Well, other than Time/Life who putzed around with "D Lister's" to the point of burning their $150,000 Z Film?
Mike Orr:
Orville Nix's film has never been seen again since the FBI took it into their custody ! What did Orville's film show that would have been different than what the Zapruder film shows ?
Tommy Shanks:
--- Quote from: Mike Orr on May 12, 2026, 02:02:45 AM ---Orville Nix's film has never been seen again since the FBI took it into their custody ! What did Orville's film show that would have been different than what the Zapruder film shows ?
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Absolutely nothing. It matches the Z film precisely.
Kevin Balch:
The secret service follow up car was following 5 feet behind the limo and both were initially traveling at about 15 feet per second. The BEST driver reaction time for recognizing the need to brake, removing the foot from the accelerator and to begin actual braking is 0.7 seconds. In that time, the secret service follow up car would have already traveled 10 feet. It would have to brake extremely abruptly to have maintained any distance from the limo which would have been quite noticeable to all the passengers including Kennedy loyalists O’Donnell and Powers. If Clint Hill wasn’t pinned between the two cars, he certainly would have had to climb between them to get on the limo.
That 5 foot separation was required when the vehicles were traveling at or below 15 mph just so agents could reach the limo if needed. You can see this clearly in the footage on Houston Street. There had to be some kind of advanced communication if a stop was intended. There is no evidence of that happening. Why those with advanced degrees in physics such as Mantik, Costella and Lifton fail to see this causes me to question their physics.
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