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Are there any "researchers" here who started out as LNs but who are now CTs?
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on June 02, 2026, 04:00:21 PM ---That's a fair perspective - certainly more balanced than John's. But my God, there are at least 100 news stories every year involving multiple murders that are factually more ghastly than the JFKA. I read them, factor them into my perspective on human nature and what humans are capable of, and move on. I do think you grossly overstate the case in terms of Oswald letting a genie out of the bottle. There were surprisingly ghastly crimes long before Oswald, and the 1970's and 1980's looked nothing like today in terms of what you're describing. I think the near-hell we're living in today is due to factors much more recent than the JFKA. John's suggestion was that there is something illegitimate about anyone who is interested in the JFKA for any reason other than "JFK angst" and visceral hatred of Oswald. As stated, I'm very interested in Oswald the man and can have empathy for him without minimizing his actions. I can also be interested in the JFKA simply as a whodunnit and opportunity to exercise my brain, all of which I believe to be entirely legitimate. I actually think that the attitudes John expresses are an impediment to thinking critically about the case.
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The critical thinking has been done countless times over the years to expose the fallacies of all CT objections to the conclusions of the WC. The questions the LNs pose to the CTs are questions they should have asked themselves but rarely if ever do.
Richard Smith:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on June 02, 2026, 04:00:21 PM ---That's a fair perspective - certainly more balanced than John's. But my God, there are at least 100 news stories every year involving multiple murders that are factually more ghastly than the JFKA. I read them, factor them into my perspective on human nature and what humans are capable of, and move on. I do think you grossly overstate the case in terms of Oswald letting a genie out of the bottle. There were surprisingly ghastly crimes long before Oswald, and the 1970's and 1980's looked nothing like today in terms of what you're describing. I think the near-hell we're living in today is due to factors much more recent than the JFKA. John's suggestion was that there is something illegitimate about anyone who is interested in the JFKA for any reason other than "JFK angst" and visceral hatred of Oswald. As stated, I'm very interested in Oswald the man and can have empathy for him without minimizing his actions. I can also be interested in the JFKA simply as a whodunnit and opportunity to exercise my brain, all of which I believe to be entirely legitimate. I actually think that the attitudes John expresses are an impediment to thinking critically about the case.
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There has been a progression of decline since the JFK assassination that has made us numb to such acts. My point is that on 11.22.63 society felt that the president was safe to drive around in an open car on a preannounced route. Unthinkable today. His traumatic and brutal death changed all that in an instant. It also introduced the TV media spectacle that follows such events and often results in copycat crimes. The nuts learned they could make a big splash. I doubt any school or mass shooter of today has any idea who Oswald was. They are more likely familiar with the Columbine-type nuts but Oswald still influenced that cultural shift. If you are angry and blame others for your misfortunes, Oswald showed the way to get some payback. Prior to that there was societal concern with morality, shame, and reputation that made such acts unthinkable. There are certainly other factors in this decline but Oswald has a role.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Richard Smith on June 04, 2026, 02:25:51 PM ---There has been a progression of decline since the JFK assassination that has made us numb to such acts. My point is that on 11.22.63 society felt that the president was safe to drive around in an open car on a preannounced route. Unthinkable today. His traumatic and brutal death changed all that in an instant. It also introduced the TV media spectacle that follows such events and often results in copycat crimes. The nuts learned they could make a big splash. I doubt any school or mass shooter of today has any idea who Oswald was. They are more likely familiar with the Columbine-type nuts but Oswald still influenced that cultural shift. If you are angry and blame others for your misfortunes, Oswald showed the way to get some payback. Prior to that there was societal concern with morality, shame, and reputation that made such acts unthinkable. There are certainly other factors in this decline but Oswald has a role.
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Certainly these Columbine style mass shootings were far more rare in the 20th century than they are now. It almost seems like each mass shooter is trying to out do the previous one. Even though rare, they did occur. Less than two years after the JFKA and just down I-35 from Dealey Plaza, Charles Whitman murdered over a dozen people and wounded a number more from the tower on the University of Texas campus. Interestingly, Whitman did his killing from a much higher perch than Oswald and his best score in the USMC was only two points better than Oswald's. The school massacre in US history took place in Bath, Michigan in 1927 when a maintenance man blew up two school houses, killing everyone inside. We've always had nutcases who were willing to commit mass murder but they are just many more of them now than there used to be.
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