Are there any "researchers" here who started out as LNs but who are now CTs?

[Tom Graves]

The predicament for people like me is that there is no neutral ground to dwell on; one either qualifies as a LN or a CT, an objective, open minded approach is very hard to maintain. Yes, I am critical of the Report but also of many of the conspiracy books.

The 'overwhelming evidence' you say convinced you that Oswald assassinated the President hasn't convinced me. At least not completely. The unfortunate fact that the Dallas police allowed the suspect to get lynched prevented a trial, during which many of the questions I have could have been cleared up.--JVDW

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Verily.

Stand your ground. Ignore the contentious types who soon move to ridicule or make derogatory comments in JFKA discussions (LN'ers and CT'ers). 

You are entitled to your observations. Indeed, there is room for reasonable doubt regarding official and various CT accounts of the JFKA. And yes, some CT versions are real laughers, or inspired by ideology or ethnic biases. 

My read on the Z-film is that Gov. JBC was struck ~Z-295, which is less than one second from the strike on JFK at Z-313.


Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)[/b][/i]

The above happens ~Z-295.

There is the additional curiosity of the entry wound on the dorsal (wristwatch) side on JBC's right wrist---from a bullet that first passed through JBC's chest? His surgeon, Dr. Shaw, thought that was inexplicable. Try touching the face of a wristwatch to your chest. I advise all readers herein to do this.

Then...we see JBC holding his Stetson hat at Z-272, in his right hand. The WC says he had been shot though the right wrist by a large tumbling slug (the Western Cartridge slug is 1 1/4 inches long)---but that JBC maintained his grip on the hat even after being shot through the wrist.

I have reasonable doubts about the above scenario. How can anyone not have doubts?

The WC version also contends, after being shot through the chest, JBC did a 180-degree-turn in his seat to look for JFK.

I have reasonable doubts about that too.

In short, there are grounds to suspect two gunsels in the JFKA, given that it appears one gunsel (likely LHO) was armed with the M-C.

Do you believe three shots were fired from the Carcano that was found on the sixth floor?

[John Corbett]

The predicament for people like me is that there is no neutral ground to dwell on; one either qualifies as a LN or a CT, an objective, open minded approach is very hard to maintain. Yes, I am critical of the Report but also of many of the conspiracy books.

The 'overwhelming evidence' you say convinced you that Oswald assassinated the President hasn't convinced me. At least not completely. The unfortunate fact that the Dallas police allowed the suspect to get lynched prevented a trial, during which many of the questions I have could have been cleared up.--JVDW

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Verily.

Stand your ground. Ignore the contentious types who soon move to ridicule or make derogatory comments in JFKA discussions (LN'ers and CT'ers). 

You are entitled to your observations. Indeed, there is room for reasonable doubt regarding official and various CT accounts of the JFKA. And yes, some CT versions are real laughers, or inspired by ideology or ethnic biases. 

My read on the Z-film is that Gov. JBC was struck ~Z-295, which is less than one second from the strike on JFK at Z-313.

That's a really, really bad read.

Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)[/b][/b][/i]

The above happens ~Z-295.

It happened long before Z295. What do you think caused all the gyrations JBC was going through between Z225 and Z295?

There is the additional curiosity of the entry wound on the dorsal (wristwatch) side on JBC's right wrist---from a bullet that first passed through JBC's chest? His surgeon, Dr. Shaw, thought that was inexplicable. Try touching the face of a wristwatch to your chest. I advise all readers herein to do this.

Shaw was not a forensic medical examiner. Why would you expect him to figure that out?

Then...we see JBC holding his Stetson hat at Z-272, in his right hand. The WC says he had been shot though the right wrist by a large tumbling slug (the Western Cartridge slug is 1 1/4 inches long)---but that JBC maintained his grip on the hat even after being shot through the wrist.

He held onto his hat after Z295 too. How do you explain that?

I have reasonable doubts about the above scenario. How can anyone not have doubts?

The WC version also contends, after being shot through the chest, JBC did a 180-degree-turn in his seat to look for JFK.

Is there a specific way a person is supposed to act after being shot through the chest?

I have reasonable doubts about that too.

In short, there are grounds to suspect two gunsels in the JFKA, given that it appears one gunsel (likely LHO) was armed with the M-C.

One gunsel is supported by evidence. The other gunsel is supported by speculation and imagination.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Here's the MPI version of Z295 below. If you think JC was shot at this point (and only here), and in the back, from the TSBD, your thinking needs work. As in, "How did he end up in this position?"

Rest of the frames/film is here: https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox-frame-sets

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Deleted.

[Mark Ulrik]

Here's the MPI version of Z295 below. If you think JC was shot at this point (and only here), and in the back, from the TSBD, your thinking needs work. As in, "How did he end up in this position?"

Rest of the frames/film is here: https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox-frame-sets

I wonder if Jerry Organ is still around. He was one of the best on the photographic evidence.

[Joffrey van de Wiel]

I've seen statements like this before, but is it really up to the individual to decide whether his or her personal sense of doubt meets the threshold of legally defined reasonable doubt?

Mark,

I think my doubts are reasonable, but unsure if they meet the legal threshold. Had I been on the jury in the Clay Shaw trial, I would have voted not guilty. I have not however read the Garrison book On the trail of the Assassins and base this verdict on the Oliver Stone movie JFK, which is entertaining but for a large part speculation and fantasy.

I had an interesting exchange with John Corbett regarding Oswald's motive, and perhaps you will be able to address the following topic, an issue which has, ever so slightly, been pushing me over to the conspiracy benches across the aisle.

Immediately after the shots and the quick departure of the Presidential limousine to Parkland Memorial Hospital a great many people, both civilians and law enforcement personnel, crossed to the north of Elm Street and entered the area behind the picket fence on the infamous grassy knoll, the parking lot and the section immediately to the west of the TSBD.

A number of these people met individuals who claimed to be agents of the US Secret Service. They showed badges. At least one of them was armed with an automatic weapon. Another (or the same) one had dirty hands and wasn't dressed as expected of a federal agent on duty. Secret Service agents, plural, were located behind the TSBD. They identified themselves as such to a DPD officer, if I remember all this correctly.

The record shows that no Secret Service agents remained at Dealey Plaza after the motorcade left. They followed the limousine to Parkland, others remained at Love Field and the Trade Mart. Any agent encountered by witnesses at the location of the assassination must therefore be an impostor. With my tinfoil hat on, I can understand that some might think that these men were in fact the assassins, or covering the retreat of them. Interesting that they were located both behind the fence and the TSBD.

What is your understanding of this episode? Am I reading too much in it?

[Mike Orr]

LN's or CT's have nothing to do with the " Truth " .