The smell of gunpowder

[Benjamin Cole]

JM--

It is misnomer that modern firearms do not issue gunsmoke.

AI--

Several modern, readily available ammunition brands are known for producing more smoke at the gun range, often due to the use of "dirtier" burning powders or specialized coatings intended for high-volume, cost-effective target practice.

Based on user experiences, here are the primary brands and types of ammo that produce noticeable smoke:
1. Winchester White Box (WWB)
Frequently cited as the smokiest and "dirtiest" commonly available range ammunition, Winchester's bulk FMJ "white box" ammo often produces significant smoke and residue.
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2. CCI Blazer Brass
While generally considered reliable, Blazer Brass is frequently noted for burning a bit dirtier than premium ammo, resulting in a distinct, moderate amount of smoke at the range.
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In addition, if a gun barrel has recently been serviced, or oiled, the fresh oil will be emitted along with the gunblast, in the form of smoke.

Snub-nose .38s were known for their loud noise, and gunsmoke, as the short barrel did little to mitigate noise and smoke. In general, the longer the barrel, the less noise and smoke.

You are likely correct in deducing LHO's M-C carbine was not the source of gunsmoke smelled in the GK area, in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA.

The wind was blowing from the GK area towards the TSBD--you see that in women's apparel, skirts, etc.

[Joe Elliott]

In a number of threads, people have brought up the fact that people in the motorcade smelled gunpowder as they were going past the GK. To that my reaction has always been SO WHAT. I think we can safely say no one fired a weapon on Elm St. so the people who got a whiff of gunpowder residue when they were on Elm St. give us no clue as to where that residue was discharged. I thought of this following the recent assassination attempt on President Trump and some of the people smelled the gunpowder in the ballroom even though the assailant never discharged his weapon there. The residue that people smell can drift quite a distance from it's origin. This gives us no indication where that residue was discharged from.

I think it is common, when people know shots have been fired, to convince themselves that they smelled the gunpowder. I do not trust eye-witnesses and nose-witnesses even less.

Only accept the testimony of a real expert. A Louisiana bloodhound.

[John Corbett]

 You said, "... smelled gunpowder as they were GOING PASSED the GK". The wind would Not permit a "drifting" gunpowder odor from the TSBD to the GK.

The gunpowder residue would have been forcefully ejected from the muzzle of Oswald's rifle and could have drifted anywhere. Tell us why you think that residue could have drifted from the GK down to Elm St. but not the sniper's nest down to Elm St.

[John Corbett]

Using a similar logic, if the wind as seen in the following GIF was blowing up Elm street, no doubt being funnelled through the triple underpass, so how would the gunpowder smoke drift onto the road right next to the grassy knoll, if indeed your frontal sniper was behind the fence of the grassy knoll?



Taking this concept to its logical conclusion, the following diagram is my estimate of smoke dispersion from the theoretical position of the grassy knoll gunman who allegedly, according to flawed analysis by the HSCA audio "experts", fired one shot that missed. It would be interesting to know how dissipated the gun smoke from a single shot would be in the strong breeze, by the time it reached the sniffwitnesses?



The amount of smoke from a Carcano isn't very much and a modern firearm produces not much either.







Perhaps the Grassy Knoll assassin was using a Musket?



JohnM

Your photos illustrate perfectly why if there had been a gunman on the GK, nobody would have seen smoke from that rifle. In the short clip showing a rifleman firing during a test, the smoke dissipates almost immediately. Nobody on the over pass could have seen smoke from a rifle fired from the GK. I don't know what they saw or what they thought they say it wasn't gun smoke unless the GK shooter was firing a muzzle loader or a blunderbuss.

[Benjamin Cole]

Because the wind was blowing towards the TSBD from the Third Street Overpass.



See that lady's red coat?

[John Corbett]

JM--

It is misnomer that modern firearms do not issue gunsmoke.

AI--

Several modern, readily available ammunition brands are known for producing more smoke at the gun range, often due to the use of "dirtier" burning powders or specialized coatings intended for high-volume, cost-effective target practice.

Based on user experiences, here are the primary brands and types of ammo that produce noticeable smoke:
1. Winchester White Box (WWB)
Frequently cited as the smokiest and "dirtiest" commonly available range ammunition, Winchester's bulk FMJ "white box" ammo often produces significant smoke and residue.
Reddit
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 +2

2. CCI Blazer Brass
While generally considered reliable, Blazer Brass is frequently noted for burning a bit dirtier than premium ammo, resulting in a distinct, moderate amount of smoke at the range.
Reddit
Reddit
 +1

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In addition, if a gun barrel has recently been serviced, or oiled, the fresh oil will be emitted along with the gunblast, in the form of smoke.

Snub-nose .38s were known for their loud noise, and gunsmoke, as the short barrel did little to mitigate noise and smoke. In general, the longer the barrel, the less noise and smoke.

You are likely correct in deducing LHO's M-C carbine was not the source of gunsmoke smelled in the GK area, in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA.

The wind was blowing from the GK area towards the TSBD--you see that in women's apparel, skirts, etc.

Why don't you show us just one film clip of a modern firearm shooting smokey ammo.

[Royell Storing]

Using a similar logic, if the wind as seen in the following GIF was blowing up Elm street, no doubt being funnelled through the triple underpass, so how would the gunpowder smoke drift onto the road right next to the grassy knoll, if indeed your frontal sniper was behind the fence of the grassy knoll?



Taking this concept to its logical conclusion, the following diagram is my estimate of smoke dispersion from the theoretical position of the grassy knoll gunman who allegedly, according to flawed analysis by the HSCA audio "experts", fired one shot that missed. It would be interesting to know how dissipated the gun smoke from a single shot would be in the strong breeze, by the time it reached the sniffwitnesses?



The amount of smoke from a Carcano isn't very much and a modern firearm produces not much either.







Perhaps the Grassy Knoll assassin was using a Musket?



JohnM

   JOHN - How are you doing? With respect to the odor of gunpowder, I don't attribute this to a shooter behind the picket fence or anywhere on the Front (R) of the JFK Limo. I believe this "gunpowder" odor is more in line with the AR-15 having been discharged when SA Hickey stood up inside the Queen Mary. I do Not believe the AR-15 discharge struck JFK. It could have been only 1 shot from the AR-15, maybe more, depending on the setting of the weapon at the time. The weapon having been discharged, would then still be emitting the smell of gunpowder as the Queen Mary traveled down the remaining length of Elm St.