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The smell of gunpowder
Benjamin Cole:
Dallas Police Officer Joe Marshall Smith was one of several witnesses and officers who reported signs of gunfire, including the odor of smoke, near the grassy knoll on November 22, 1963.
According to his testimony and subsequent accounts, Smith's experience included the following:
Response to the Area: Immediately after the shots were fired, Officer Smith ran from his position on the Triple Underpass towards the parking lot area behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll.
Smell of Gunsmoke: Smith reported smelling a distinctive odor of "gunsmoke cordite" in the area behind the fence.
The Imposter Incident: While investigating, Smith reported confronting a man in the area who appeared to be hiding or acting suspiciously behind the fence. When Smith approached and asked what he was doing, the man showed him Secret Service identification, though it was later noted that all authorized Secret Service agents were believed to be in the motorcade.
Testimony Limitations: In his official Warren Commission testimony, Smith noted that he didn't know exactly where the shots came from due to the echo effect in the area, but his instincts led him to the area behind the concrete structure on the knoll.
Smith was among a group of people, including railway workers, who reported seeing a flash of light, hearing a loud report, or seeing a puff of smoke near the picket fence on the knoll.
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The wind was blowing towards the TSBD from the Third Street Overpass...so LHO's M-C was not the source of that gunsmoke.
It is certainly plausible there was a smoke-and-bang show 11.22 at the GK.
Was it a snub-nose .38 that fired, only a diversion?
The fact that I suspect a gunsel at the GK on 11.22, does not mean I subscribe to Tehran- and Moscow-financed JFKA narratives, or elaborate JFKA plots and cover-ups.
I suspect LHO and couple guys, maybe G2'ers, took shots at the President. They got lucky on the motorcade route and layout. That was the whole plot, and LHO was dead soon enough.
The G-2'ers, although acting independently, may have been waxed soon enough also.
The gunsmoke many smelled in the GK area strongly points to a gunsel there.
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on April 28, 2026, 02:43:06 AM ---
You said, "... smelled gunpowder as they were GOING PASSED the GK". The wind would Not permit a "drifting" gunpowder odor from the TSBD to the GK.
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Using a similar logic, if the wind as seen in the following GIF was blowing up Elm street, no doubt being funnelled through the triple underpass, so how would the gunpowder smoke drift onto the road right next to the grassy knoll, if indeed your frontal sniper was behind the fence of the grassy knoll?
Taking this concept to its logical conclusion, the following diagram is my estimate of smoke dispersion from the theoretical position of the grassy knoll gunman who allegedly, according to flawed analysis by the HSCA audio "experts", fired one shot that missed. It would be interesting to know how dissipated the gun smoke from a single shot would be in the strong breeze, by the time it reached the sniffwitnesses?
The amount of smoke from a Carcano isn't very much and a modern firearm produces not much either.
Perhaps the Grassy Knoll assassin was using a Musket?
JohnM
Benjamin Cole:
JM--
It is misnomer that modern firearms do not issue gunsmoke.
AI--
Several modern, readily available ammunition brands are known for producing more smoke at the gun range, often due to the use of "dirtier" burning powders or specialized coatings intended for high-volume, cost-effective target practice.
Based on user experiences, here are the primary brands and types of ammo that produce noticeable smoke:
1. Winchester White Box (WWB)
Frequently cited as the smokiest and "dirtiest" commonly available range ammunition, Winchester's bulk FMJ "white box" ammo often produces significant smoke and residue.
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2. CCI Blazer Brass
While generally considered reliable, Blazer Brass is frequently noted for burning a bit dirtier than premium ammo, resulting in a distinct, moderate amount of smoke at the range.
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In addition, if a gun barrel has recently been serviced, or oiled, the fresh oil will be emitted along with the gunblast, in the form of smoke.
Snub-nose .38s were known for their loud noise, and gunsmoke, as the short barrel did little to mitigate noise and smoke. In general, the longer the barrel, the less noise and smoke.
You are likely correct in deducing LHO's M-C carbine was not the source of gunsmoke smelled in the GK area, in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA.
The wind was blowing from the GK area towards the TSBD--you see that in women's apparel, skirts, etc.
Joe Elliott:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on April 27, 2026, 09:19:21 PM ---In a number of threads, people have brought up the fact that people in the motorcade smelled gunpowder as they were going past the GK. To that my reaction has always been SO WHAT. I think we can safely say no one fired a weapon on Elm St. so the people who got a whiff of gunpowder residue when they were on Elm St. give us no clue as to where that residue was discharged. I thought of this following the recent assassination attempt on President Trump and some of the people smelled the gunpowder in the ballroom even though the assailant never discharged his weapon there. The residue that people smell can drift quite a distance from it's origin. This gives us no indication where that residue was discharged from.
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I think it is common, when people know shots have been fired, to convince themselves that they smelled the gunpowder. I do not trust eye-witnesses and nose-witnesses even less.
Only accept the testimony of a real expert. A Louisiana bloodhound.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on April 28, 2026, 02:43:06 AM ---
You said, "... smelled gunpowder as they were GOING PASSED the GK". The wind would Not permit a "drifting" gunpowder odor from the TSBD to the GK.
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The gunpowder residue would have been forcefully ejected from the muzzle of Oswald's rifle and could have drifted anywhere. Tell us why you think that residue could have drifted from the GK down to Elm St. but not the sniper's nest down to Elm St.
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