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The smell of gunpowder
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on April 28, 2026, 04:45:50 AM ---Using a similar logic, if the wind as seen in the following GIF was blowing up Elm street, no doubt being funnelled through the triple underpass, so how would the gunpowder smoke drift onto the road right next to the grassy knoll, if indeed your frontal sniper was behind the fence of the grassy knoll?
Taking this concept to its logical conclusion, the following diagram is my estimate of smoke dispersion from the theoretical position of the grassy knoll gunman who allegedly, according to flawed analysis by the HSCA audio "experts", fired one shot that missed. It would be interesting to know how dissipated the gun smoke from a single shot would be in the strong breeze, by the time it reached the sniffwitnesses?
The amount of smoke from a Carcano isn't very much and a modern firearm produces not much either.
Perhaps the Grassy Knoll assassin was using a Musket?
JohnM
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Your photos illustrate perfectly why if there had been a gunman on the GK, nobody would have seen smoke from that rifle. In the short clip showing a rifleman firing during a test, the smoke dissipates almost immediately. Nobody on the over pass could have seen smoke from a rifle fired from the GK. I don't know what they saw or what they thought they say it wasn't gun smoke unless the GK shooter was firing a muzzle loader or a blunderbuss.
Benjamin Cole:
Because the wind was blowing towards the TSBD from the Third Street Overpass.
See that lady's red coat?
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on April 28, 2026, 06:10:19 AM ---JM--
It is misnomer that modern firearms do not issue gunsmoke.
AI--
Several modern, readily available ammunition brands are known for producing more smoke at the gun range, often due to the use of "dirtier" burning powders or specialized coatings intended for high-volume, cost-effective target practice.
Based on user experiences, here are the primary brands and types of ammo that produce noticeable smoke:
1. Winchester White Box (WWB)
Frequently cited as the smokiest and "dirtiest" commonly available range ammunition, Winchester's bulk FMJ "white box" ammo often produces significant smoke and residue.
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2. CCI Blazer Brass
While generally considered reliable, Blazer Brass is frequently noted for burning a bit dirtier than premium ammo, resulting in a distinct, moderate amount of smoke at the range.
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In addition, if a gun barrel has recently been serviced, or oiled, the fresh oil will be emitted along with the gunblast, in the form of smoke.
Snub-nose .38s were known for their loud noise, and gunsmoke, as the short barrel did little to mitigate noise and smoke. In general, the longer the barrel, the less noise and smoke.
You are likely correct in deducing LHO's M-C carbine was not the source of gunsmoke smelled in the GK area, in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA.
The wind was blowing from the GK area towards the TSBD--you see that in women's apparel, skirts, etc.
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Why don't you show us just one film clip of a modern firearm shooting smokey ammo.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on April 28, 2026, 04:45:50 AM ---Using a similar logic, if the wind as seen in the following GIF was blowing up Elm street, no doubt being funnelled through the triple underpass, so how would the gunpowder smoke drift onto the road right next to the grassy knoll, if indeed your frontal sniper was behind the fence of the grassy knoll?
Taking this concept to its logical conclusion, the following diagram is my estimate of smoke dispersion from the theoretical position of the grassy knoll gunman who allegedly, according to flawed analysis by the HSCA audio "experts", fired one shot that missed. It would be interesting to know how dissipated the gun smoke from a single shot would be in the strong breeze, by the time it reached the sniffwitnesses?
The amount of smoke from a Carcano isn't very much and a modern firearm produces not much either.
Perhaps the Grassy Knoll assassin was using a Musket?
JohnM
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JOHN - How are you doing? With respect to the odor of gunpowder, I don't attribute this to a shooter behind the picket fence or anywhere on the Front (R) of the JFK Limo. I believe this "gunpowder" odor is more in line with the AR-15 having been discharged when SA Hickey stood up inside the Queen Mary. I do Not believe the AR-15 discharge struck JFK. It could have been only 1 shot from the AR-15, maybe more, depending on the setting of the weapon at the time. The weapon having been discharged, would then still be emitting the smell of gunpowder as the Queen Mary traveled down the remaining length of Elm St.
Benjamin Cole:
Obviously, there are some brands of ammo that smoke (see below).
In addition, "hand-loading" of .38 rounds was popular in the 1960s and now.
A hand-loaded .38 round can use who knows what kind of gunpowder. A smoky brand may have been chosen, as the GK shot was intended as a diversion.
I doubt the railroad workers, and Dallas Police officer and war vet Joe Smith, and many others, all imagined they saw and smelled smoke in the GK area, concurrently.
Why there, and not some other location?
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We can put to rest the all ammo does not smoke fiction:
Ammo known for producing significant smoke is generally budget-friendly range ammunition or specialized types like tracers. Users frequently report that certain brands are "dirty," meaning they burn older or less efficient powder mixtures that produce more residue and smoke.
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Here are the brands and types of ammo often cited for being smoky:
Tula / Wolf (Steel Case): These Russian brands are notorious for being both dirty and smoky.
Armscor: Often reported as dirty, producing extra smoke and residue.
Remington UMC/Green Box: Sometimes cited as having a distinct smell and producing more smoke compared to cleaner options.
Winchester White Box (WWB): While a staple for bulk shooting, it is frequently cited for being smokier and dirtier than competition brands.
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