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Did LHO fire a shot that missed everything? If so, when did he fire it?
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Michael Capasse on April 27, 2026, 02:07:20 PM ---Where is the car in proximity to the window in the 140s?
How do you know a shot in the 140s isn't a firecracker?
The window is only open about 13in - at only about a foot from the floor and covered in boxes.
Did he point the gun straight down? how could he see? how could that be missed? ...and 120s is just ridiculous
Also, I don't buy a shaky camera at the sound of shots. It may be actual but not exclusive.
If Sitzman was holding on to him, how do you know any of her movements would not effect the camera?
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My objection to a virtual Z124 shot or any other time while Zapruder wasn't filming is that JBC is seen reacting at Z164 when he starts to turn to look over his right shoulder. That's over 2 seconds which seems a rather slow response to me. If the shot was fired at Z148 which is my belief, JBC would have heard the shot at Z150 which is about 3/4 of a second. Neither my belief of a shot at Z148 or the Roselle/Scearce theory of a virtual Z124 shot is an established fact but I think the evidence is much stronger for a Z148 shot. We see the same pattern for the two shots we know struck JFK so a shot at Z148 is consistent with the other two shots. With no definitive evidence of when the first shot was fired, it's the best we can do.
You have identified the difficulty of the first shot whether fired at Z124, Z148, or any early frame in the Z-film. It's a very awkward downward shot with the target moving across the line of fire as opposed to down the line of fire as it was for the subsequent shots. Oswald would likely have had to raise up to fire down that steeply and it's easy to understand why he would completely miss with that shot.
Zeon Mason:
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Zeon Mason:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on April 27, 2026, 08:39:36 PM ---I don’t see Oswald or any other shooter firing a shot that misses the entire limo IF they are in position using the boxes as a rifle rest.
Not Sure if LNs agree with the WC suggested position that the 6th floor shooter was sitting on that one box by the pipes keeping himself hidden from view in the Hughes film, but that seems to be a plausible position as the shooter can just lean over and place the rifle on the stacked box arrangement.
So if there was this prearranged box configuration the it seems contrary that the shooter would have Have stood up to take an unaimed hasty shot at Z124.
So I’m going with that idea the shooter DID lean over and was placing the rifle on the box platform as he had planned but he inadvertently squeezed the trigger as he did so.
The other LN alternative is A.Masons 3 aimed shots and 3 hits theory of which the 1st one is thru tree foliage at Z190.
Since I do not see why more that one shooter is required to do this job, then my only CT alternative that might be plausible is the TSBD shouter used a semi auto rifle and that Norman’s “boom click click” description may be a “ bang, clink clink” where each shell was auto ejected and bounced on the floor 2 times.
It’s the Pre planting of a misaligned scope rifle that has mail order paper trail Oswald that’s the problem however. If the conspirator shooter went to that much trouble to set up Oswald, surely he would make sure the scope was aligned and zeroed would he not?
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John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on April 27, 2026, 08:39:36 PM ---I don’t see Oswald or any other shooter firing a shot that misses the entire limo IF they are in position using the boxes as a rifle rest.
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I normally don't like to make assumptions but I'm going to make an exception here. I'm pretty sure Oswald wasn't trying to shoot the limo.
Joe Elliott:
I believe that Oswald fired three shots, at around z-153, z-222 and z-312.
The shot at z-312 is the best well confirmed, of course.
The shot at z-222 has a lot of support. I think one would have to be firmly wedded to some conspiracy theory to not conclude that both JFK and Connally were wounded at about this time.
The shot at z-153 has a good deal less support, compared to the other two shots. But I think it is pretty compelling. Going by memory, the Zapruder camera jiggle, the Governor Connally head turn and Rosemary Willis slowing down after that, coming to a stop and looking back at the TSBD, all make a compelling case. And with the tree looming up, if Oswald wanted to get in a shot before the tree, he needed to fire about then.
And, as I have posted before, the angular speed of the three shots, plus that of the 1908 Olympic Running Deer competition had the following angular speeds in dps (degrees per second).
z-153: 4.8 dps
1908 Running Dear: 3.2 dps
z-222: 1.9 dps
z-312: 0.58 dps
The angular speed being greater for the shot at z-153 then the Olympic competition shooting gives ample reasons why a shot at z-153 could miss wildly.
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