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Three evenly spaced shots, or "bang . . . . . . . . bang - bang"?
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on April 24, 2026, 10:59:58 PM ---If you think that is a representative sample of the witnesses, you haven't read the evidence. What it doesn't show is that of the many witnesses who, without prompting of any kind, recalled a pattern to the shots, the vast majority distinctly stated that the last two were closer together.
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I don't care if it is representative of the body of witnesses or not. It shows that people can watch the same event and remember it very differently which is why I don't put much faith in witnesses or corroboration of witnesses by other witnesses. People can make the same mistake, even large groups of people. That's why we have a large group of witnesses who said it sounded like the shots came from the GK.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on April 24, 2026, 10:13:44 PM ---There's a big difference between identifying a person seen at and/or leaving a crime scene and trying to say from which direction and at what frequency three (or more???) shots were fired in a large echo chamber like Dealey Plaza.
D'oh!
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The important point is that the eyewitnesses who IDed Oswald as Tippit's murderer were corroborated by the fact Oswald had the Tippit murder weapon in his possession when arrested a short time later along with the same two makes of bullets that were recovered from Tippit's body. I'd call that damn good corroboration.
Without that corroboration, you could make a strong argument for reasonable doubt for Oswald in the Tippit murder. A majority of the wrongfully convicted inmates who were later freed by the innocence project by DNA evidence were convicted due to mistaken eyewitness testimony.
"According to the Innocence Project, as of January 2020, 375 convictions had been overturned through DNA exoneration since 1989. Mistaken identification by eyewitnesses played a role in 61% of those wrongful convictions."
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on April 25, 2026, 12:05:28 AM ---The important point is that the eyewitnesses who IDed Oswald as Tippit's murderer were corroborated by the fact Oswald had the Tippit murder weapon in his possession when arrested a short time later along with the same two makes of bullets that were recovered from Tippit's body. I'd call that damn good corroboration.
Without that corroboration, you could make a strong argument for reasonable doubt for Oswald in the Tippit murder. A majority of the wrongfully convicted inmates who were later freed by the innocence project by DNA evidence were convicted due to mistaken eyewitness testimony.
"According to the Innocence Project, as of January 2020, 375 convictions had been overturned through DNA exoneration since 1989. Mistaken identification by eyewitnesses played a role in 61% of those wrongful convictions."
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Due to the complicated factors in Dealey Plaza, I think convicting Oswald for the murder of Tippit on eyewitness testimony alone would have been easier than "convicting" him (or any other bad guy) for having fired, from the Sniper's Nest, a missing-everything shot at JFK at hypothetical Z-124 (i.e., half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133), which Roselle and Searce have shown was very probably the case.
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Benjamin Cole:
Most earwitnesses heard three shots.
This does not preclude near-simultaneous shots heard by most witnesses as one shot, or the use of a silencer, meaning there were more than three shots.
Most witnesses place the second and third shots as close together.
Secret Service man Kellerman, in the JFK limo, said the the last two shots came in a "flurry" and Gov JBC, before the WC and the HSCA, said the shots arrived in the cab of the limo as if from an "automatic" rifle.
I thought JBC had meant a "semi-automatic," when he testified by the WC, but he repeated his word "automatic" before the HSCA. So JBC says the shots were fired so rapidly he suspected an automatic rifle.
Kellerman, Weitzman and JBC were all knowledgable about weapons and gunfire.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on April 25, 2026, 01:58:59 AM ---Most earwitnesses heard three shots.
This does not preclude near-simultaneous shots heard by most witnesses as one shot, or the use of a silencer, meaning there were more than three shots.
Most witnesses place the second and third shots as close together.
Secret Service man Kellerman, in the JFK limo, said the the last two shots came in a "flurry" and Gov JBC, before the WC and the HSCA, said the shots arrived in the cab of the limo as if from an "automatic" rifle.
I thought JBC had meant a "semi-automatic," when he testified by the WC, but he repeated his word "automatic" before the HSCA. So JBC says the shots were fired so rapidly he suspected an automatic rifle.
Kellerman, Weitzman and JBC were all knowledgable about weapons and gunfire.
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If witnesses didn't "register" the first (missing everything) shot at hypothetical Z-124 (half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133), but did "register" the second shot at approximately Z-222 and also heard the Z-313 shot and its shot-like echo, then it's understandable that they would mistakenly say the shots were "bang . . . . . bang-bang."
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