The Tippit Shooting At 1:15-1:16, FACT

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: The Tippit Shooting At 1:15-1:16, FACT
« Reply #42 on: Yesterday at 09:48:06 PM »
That is what the fibers indicate for anyone capable of adding 2 + 2 and getting the right answer. I guess that leaves you out.
You seem to lack the intellectual courage to actually tell us what you believe. You seem to be more interested in playing word games. I've seen your kind before over the last 35 years. People who troll forums just to play word games without ever saying what they believe because that would require you to support what you say.
More trolling. You add nothing to the discourse.
I don't need a jury to tell me Oswald murdered two men on 11/22/1963 and you don't need a jury to play your silly games.
The same number as I had before I started engaging with you.
You've never given any indication you know shit about the case. You're only here to play games. That's pretty obvious.
The fact the built a museum on the same floor Oswald fired his shots from and created a glassed in enclosure around the location he fired from and installed a webcam there is a better indication of who they believe killed JFK.
You don't seem to have a pair either. I respect people who will say what they believe and defend those beliefs honestly, even if I disagree with them. That doesn't include you. You get your jollies by trolling. You've made that obvious.
I've come to realize you have no beliefs. You're a troll.
I'm done playing your silly ass trolling games. When you grow the stones to tell us what you believe and are willing to support those beliefs, let me know. Until then, you aren't worth the time of day.

Wow, what a great example of LN rage and frustration!  :D :D :D :D :D :D

That is what the fibers indicate for anyone capable of adding 2 + 2 and getting the right answer. I guess that leaves you out.

That's just another way of saying; with speculation and assumptions you can reach any conclusion you like (btw I left the quotation marks out so you won't get confused again)

You seem to lack the intellectual courage to actually tell us what you believe.

What I actually believe is that you haven't got sufficient credible evidence to support your wild claims.

You seem to be more interested in playing word games.

Project much?

More trolling. You add nothing to the discourse.

Just as I thought. You can't provide evidence for your claims about the fibers.

I don't need a jury to tell me Oswald murdered two men on 11/22/1963 and you don't need a jury to play your silly games.

What a silly remark. You are the one who is constantly going on about what a jury would do.

The same number as I had before I started engaging with you.

So, you've talked to none.... Thanks for clearing that up.

You've never given any indication you know shit about the case. You're only here to play games. That's pretty obvious.

That's only because you are so self-involved that you are not paying attention.

The fact the [sic] built a museum on the same floor Oswald fired his shots from and created a glassed in enclosure around the location he fired from and installed a webcam there is a better indication of who they believe killed JFK.

Gary Mack once told Dutch reporter Peter R. de Vries that they have never been able to place Oswald at the sniper's nest when the shots were fired. Chief Curry has said something similar. Everybody has an opinion. Your opinion isn't automatically the right one, even if you will never accept that it isn't.

But I will give you this. The 6th floor museum, although promoting the official narrative, is, unlike you, fair enough to allow and accept people who disagree with the official narrative to speak their mind.
A couple of year ago, they interviewed Wesley Buell Frasier, who was clear about how he saw Oswald carry the paper bag. It is now part of their record and that's how a museum should function.
I would have preferred a different approach than to go with the official narrative, but I fully understand why they did. Having said that, an actual museum normally doesn't promote a narrative but just tries to present the facts about what happened.

You don't seem to have a pair either. I respect people who will say what they believe and defend those beliefs honestly, even if I disagree with them. That doesn't include you. You get your jollies by trolling. You've made that obvious.

Tell the truth, weasel. You don't like me because I ask questions you don't like and can not answer. Stop whining and grow up!

I'm done playing your silly ass trolling games. When you grow the stones to tell us what you believe and are willing to support those beliefs, let me know. Until then, you aren't worth the time of day.

And yet another example of how you can't support your pathetic claims with evidence.

Btw, I understand that you are stuck and can't find the way out. I'm not holding it against you.
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Re: The Tippit Shooting At 1:15-1:16, FACT
« Reply #43 on: Yesterday at 11:26:08 PM »
Wow, what a great example of LN rage and frustration!  :D :D :D :D :D :D

That is what the fibers indicate for anyone capable of adding 2 + 2 and getting the right answer. I guess that leaves you out.

That's just another way of saying; with speculation and assumptions you can reach any conclusion you like (btw I left the quotation marks out so you won't get confused again)

You seem to lack the intellectual courage to actually tell us what you believe.

What I actually believe is that you haven't got sufficient credible evidence to support your wild claims.

You seem to be more interested in playing word games.

Project much?

More trolling. You add nothing to the discourse.

Just as I thought. You can't provide evidence for your claims about the fibers.

I don't need a jury to tell me Oswald murdered two men on 11/22/1963 and you don't need a jury to play your silly games.

What a silly remark. You are the one who is constantly going on about what a jury would do.

The same number as I had before I started engaging with you.

So, you've talked to none.... Thanks for clearing that up.

You've never given any indication you know shit about the case. You're only here to play games. That's pretty obvious.

That's only because you are so self-involved that you are not paying attention.

The fact the [sic] built a museum on the same floor Oswald fired his shots from and created a glassed in enclosure around the location he fired from and installed a webcam there is a better indication of who they believe killed JFK.

Gary Mack once told Dutch reporter Peter R. de Vries that they have never been able to place Oswald at the sniper's nest when the shots were fired. Chief Curry has said something similar. Everybody has an opinion. Your opinion isn't automatically the right one, even if you will never accept that it isn't.

But I will give you this. The 6th floor museum, although promoting the official narrative, is fair enough to allow people who disagree with the official narrative to speak their mind.
A couple of year ago, they interviewed Wesley Buell Frasier, who was clear about how he saw Oswald carry the paper bag. It is now part of their record and that's how a museum should function.
I would have preferred a different approach than to go with the official narrative, but I fully understand why they did. Having said that, an actual museum normally doesn't promote a narrative but just tries to present the facts about what happened.

You don't seem to have a pair either. I respect people who will say what they believe and defend those beliefs honestly, even if I disagree with them. That doesn't include you. You get your jollies by trolling. You've made that obvious.

Tell the truth, weasel. You don't like me because I ask questions you don't like and can not answer. Stop whining and grow up!

I'm done playing your silly ass trolling games. When you grow the stones to tell us what you believe and are willing to support those beliefs, let me know. Until then, you aren't worth the time of day.

And yet another example of how you can't support your pathetic claims with evidence.

Btw, I understand that you are stuck and can't find the way out. I'm not holding it against you.

Go away, troll

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Re: The Tippit Shooting At 1:15-1:16, FACT
« Reply #44 on: Yesterday at 11:38:05 PM »
Go away, troll

Did I hit a nerve?

Did your "powers of persuasion" (see what I did there with the quotation marks?) fail you?

If you can't stand the heat, perhaps you should stay out of the kitchen   :D

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Re: The Tippit Shooting At 1:15-1:16, FACT
« Reply #45 on: Yesterday at 11:42:37 PM »
A. Earlene Roberts  described Oswald as wearing a long sleeve shirt when he entered the boarding room. (She couldn’t tell what color)  She said Oswald left the room wearing and zipping up a jacket which appeared to her darker than CE 162 the light gray jacket.(still could not tell what color).

B. Since CE 163, the Blue gray jacket was allegedly found in the Domino room albeit unknown whom found it, then either Oswald left CE 163 there or it was moved there a month later for some unknown reason.

C. Frazier describes Oswald wearing a jacket that was similar to the CE 162 light gray jacket to work on Friday.

D. McWatters the bus driver, said he saw the man to whom the bus transfer ticket was given, wearing a jacket.  McWatters was not asked about the color of the jacket.

E. Whaley the taxi driver said he thought Oswald was wearing a jacket but what the color was could be either jacket.

F. Bledsoe said she was on McWatters bus and saw Oswald wearing the brown shirt with the hole in the sleeve.

A thru E can be reconciled as supporting a proposition that Oswald wore CE 162 to work Friday, then left TSBD Friday wearing it , then wore it  on McWatters bus , wore it in Whaleys taxi and then Oswald  entered the boarding house wearing it and finally left his room STILL wearing it and zipping it up.

Bledsoe cannot be reconciled at all with these other witnesses therefore  she must be mistaken or she just wanted to claim she saw the hole because she already despised Oswald from previous experience as his landlady.

Thus the solution for the Blue Jacket found in the Domino Room may be that Oswald wore Both CE163 the Blue gray jacket and CE 162 light gray jacket to work on Thursday morning and left CE 163 in the Domino room on Thursday afternoon. Oswald wore just CE 162 when he got the ride with Frazier Thursday afternoon.

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Re: The Tippit Shooting At 1:15-1:16, FACT
« Reply #46 on: Today at 12:14:00 AM »
A. Earlene Roberts  described Oswald as wearing a long sleeve shirt when he entered the boarding room. (She couldn’t tell what color)  She said Oswald left the room wearing and zipping up a jacket which appeared to her darker than CE 162 the light gray jacket.(still could not tell what color).

B. Since CE 163, the Blue gray jacket was allegedly found in the Domino room albeit unknown whom found it, then either Oswald left CE 163 there or it was moved there a month later for some unknown reason.

C. Frazier describes Oswald wearing a jacket that was similar to the CE 162 light gray jacket to work on Friday.

D. McWatters the bus driver, said he saw the man to whom the bus transfer ticket was given, wearing a jacket.  McWatters was not asked about the color of the jacket.

E. Whaley the taxi driver said he thought Oswald was wearing a jacket but what the color was could be either jacket.

F. Bledsoe said she was on McWatters bus and saw Oswald wearing the brown shirt with the hole in the sleeve.

A thru E can be reconciled as supporting a proposition that Oswald wore CE 162 to work Friday, then left TSBD Friday wearing it , then wore it  on McWatters bus , wore it in Whaleys taxi and then Oswald  entered the boarding house wearing it and finally left his room STILL wearing it and zipping it up.

Bledsoe cannot be reconciled at all with these other witnesses therefore  she must be mistaken or she just wanted to claim she saw the hole because she already despised Oswald from previous experience as his landlady.

Thus the solution for the Blue Jacket found in the Domino Room may be that Oswald wore Both CE163 the Blue gray jacket and CE 162 light gray jacket to work on Thursday morning and left CE 163 in the Domino room on Thursday afternoon. Oswald wore just CE 162 when he got the ride with Frazier Thursday afternoon.

The problem with your analysis is that Bledsoe could not have seen the hole in the elbow of Oswald's shirt if he was wearing a jacket and Oswald's shirt had a hole in it when he was arrested. He had that same shirt on when he shot JFK because fibers matching that shirt were found on the butt plate of his rifle.

Second problem is why would Oswald wear both jackets. It wasn't that cold in Dallas that morning. You put too much faith in witnesses to tell you whether Oswald was wearing a jacket at any given time. Why would anyone notice that. How many passengers do you think McWatters picked up that day. How many of them do you think he could remember what they were wearing. Why would that even matter to him at the time. Same for Whaley. Oswald was just another fare for him at the time. Why would he even pay attention to what Oswald was wearing. These are just the kind of details witnesses get wrong because at the time they are seeing them, there's no reason for them to even make note of what someone was wearing. If they aren't making a mental note of it at the time, there is no reason to think they could remember it when asked about it later. The hard evidence tells us Oswald wore his blue jacket to work, left it in the TSBD when he fled, picked up his light gray jacket when he went to retrieve his revolver at the rooming house, then ditched it after he shot Tippit.

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Re: The Tippit Shooting At 1:15-1:16, FACT
« Reply #47 on: Today at 12:26:01 AM »
@JC : So you don’t think Oswald was wearing ANY jacket when he left TSBD?
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« Reply #48 on: Today at 12:40:13 AM »
@JC : So you don’t think Oswald was wearing ANY jacket when he left TSBD?

Definitely not.

My regard for witness testimony has always been consistent. If what they said fits with the other evidence, I believe them. If it doesn't, I don't. Not because I think they lied. I just don't see any reason for them to remember details that would have seemed unimportant to them at the time they saw those details.