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The Tippit Shooting At 1:15-1:16, FACT
Zeon Mason:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on April 22, 2026, 08:15:04 PM ---You have to admire their flawed logic;
Earlene Roberts is "probably one of the least important pieces of evidence we have".... "She said he had his jacket on" and he has no reason to doubt what Roberts said.
Never mind there is no corroboration for it, like the kind he demands for Buell Frazier, and Roberts's employer calls her not credible!
"The fact Oswald was seen throwing the jacket under a car and a jacket was retrieved from there that was identified belonging to him is enough for me."
Never mind that there is no chain of custody to show that the white jacket found under the car is the same as the grey jacket that Oswald owned
Even less so when the DPD dispatcher said;
Wanted for investigation for assault to murder on a police officer: A white male; approximately thirty; about five foot eight; slender build; has black hair; a white jacket; a white shirt and dark trousers. The suspect last seen running west on Jefferson from 400 East Jefferson. 1:24
And the officer (279) calling in the find said;
We believe we've got this suspect on shooting this officer out here. Got his white jacket. Believe he dumped it on this parking lot behind this service station at 400 block East Jefferson across from Dudley Hughes and he had a white jacket on. We believe this is it.
And then;
"So I will concede that no one is on record as having seen Oswald toss the jacket under the car."
So, if nobody saw Oswald leave a jacket under the car, and the suspect was wearing a white shirt (which Oswald didn't) where does that leave him with the "I have no reason to doubt Roberts" BS
And then it comes;
The fact is that Oswald's jacket was found under a car and I think we can conclude it didn't get there by PFM
So a jacket was found under a car and an officer believed it was the suspect's jacket (and wearing a white shirt) is all he has got left!
And it would indeed have been PFM for Oswald's grey jacket (CE 162) to be found under a car in Oak Cliff and being described as white, when there is evidence that places that grey jacket in Irving on Thursday evening!
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Not sure we can even conclude that ANY jacket was found under under ANY car in ANY parking lot.
I don’t know how a story that is claimed to have been 1st heard from an unidentified person could be introduced as evidence, but I’m not a lawyer so I’m not sure what the rules of evidence are. Just seems like hearsay imo.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on April 22, 2026, 08:15:04 PM ---You have to admire their flawed logic;
Earlene Roberts is "probably one of the least important pieces of evidence we have".... "She said he had his jacket on" and he has no reason to doubt what Roberts said.
Never mind there is no corroboration for it, like the kind he demands for Buell Frazier, and Roberts's employer calls her not credible!
--- End quote ---
Earlene Roberts isn't important because we have much more compelling evidence than her recollection, namely that the witnesses to the shooting saw him wearing a jacket and HIS jacket was found under a car a short distance away.
--- Quote ---
"The fact Oswald was seen throwing the jacket under a car and a jacket was retrieved from there that was identified belonging to him is enough for me."
Never mind that there is no chain of custody to show that the white jacket found under the car is the same as the grey jacket that Oswald owned
--- End quote ---
Right. Maybe Oswald's jacket ended up under the car by PFM.
--- Quote ---
Even less so when the DPD dispatcher said;
Wanted for investigation for assault to murder on a police officer: A white male; approximately thirty; about five foot eight; slender build; has black hair; a white jacket; a white shirt and dark trousers. The suspect last seen running west on Jefferson from 400 East Jefferson. 1:24
And the officer (279) calling in the find said;
We believe we've got this suspect on shooting this officer out here. Got his white jacket. Believe he dumped it on this parking lot behind this service station at 400 block East Jefferson across from Dudley Hughes and he had a white jacket on. We believe this is it.
And then;
"So I will concede that no one is on record as having seen Oswald toss the jacket under the car."
So, if nobody saw Oswald leave a jacket under the car, and the suspect was wearing a white shirt (which Oswald didn't) where does that leave him with the "I have no reason to doubt Roberts" BS
And then it comes;
The fact is that Oswald's jacket was found under a car and I think we can conclude it didn't get there by PFM
So a jacket was found under a car and an officer believed it was the suspect's jacket (and wearing a white shirt) is all he has got left!
And it would indeed have been PFM for Oswald's grey jacket (CE 162) to be found under a car in Oak Cliff and being described as white, when there is evidence that places that grey jacket in Irving on Thursday evening!
--- End quote ---
Right. Maybe it is just a coincidence that the jacket that was found under the car had fibers that matched the shirt Oswald was wearing. The same matching fibers were also found on the butt plate of the assassination rifle. But I guess that is all just an amazing coincidence and that Oswald was just the unluckiest SOB that ever lived.
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on April 22, 2026, 10:16:36 PM ---Not sure we can even conclude that ANY jacket was found under under ANY car in ANY parking lot.
I don’t know how a story that is claimed to have been 1st heard from an unidentified person could be introduced as evidence, but I’m not a lawyer so I’m not sure what the rules of evidence are. Just seems like hearsay imo.
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Good point, but don't worry... the LNs are going to go full "It's common sense" to justify them jumping to conclusions from one piece of unauthenticated evidence to the next.
That's about the only thing that makes participating on this forum fun.
As for the jacket;
According to Captain Westbrook a patrol officer who was never identified pointed out a jacket under a car. In radio traffic with the DPD dispatchers this jacket was described as white. This description was of course the result it being seen in bright sunlight. Westbrook then said he gave the white jacket to another unidentified officer before moving on to the Texas Theater.
Then the jacket disappears. We don't know where it was or who had it. When a jacket shows up again, it's at the police station and it has the markings of seven officers on it who never were (or came forward to being) in the chain of custody, and guess what, the jacket was suddenly grey. Go figure!
Bill Brown:
"And he said look, there's a jacket under the car. He pointed this jacket out to me and it was laying slightly under the rear of one of the cars. I think it was an old Pontiac sitting there, if I remember right. So I walked over and reached under and picked up the jacket." -- Capt. Westbrook
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on April 22, 2026, 10:48:08 PM ---Earlene Roberts isn't important because we have much more compelling evidence than her recollection, namely that the witnesses to the shooting saw him wearing a jacket and HIS jacket was found under a car a short distance away.
Right. Maybe Oswald's jacket ended up under the car by PFM.
Right. Maybe it is just a coincidence that the jacket that was found under the car had fibers that matched the shirt Oswald was wearing. The same matching fibers were also found on the butt plate of the assassination rifle. But I guess that is all just an amazing coincidence and that Oswald was just the unluckiest SOB that ever lived.
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And those are the words of an extremely confused person;
Earlene Roberts isn't important because we have much more compelling evidence than her recollection, namely that the witnesses to the shooting saw him wearing a jacket and HIS jacket was found under a car a short distance away.
Roberts is important, because if Oswald left the rooming house without a jacket, nobody could have seen him "wearing a jacket" while shooting Tippit. And no, there is not a shred of evidence that the (white) jacket found under a car is the same one (the grey one) that's now in evidence as CE 162. Once again the master of assumptions strikes again!
Right. Maybe Oswald's jacket ended up under the car by PFM.
So, now he believes in magic when he needs it! :D
Right. Maybe it is just a coincidence that the jacket that was found under the car had fibers that matched the shirt Oswald was wearing. The same matching fibers were also found on the butt plate of the assassination rifle.
Oh boy, here he goes again with the fibers BS! But never mind, it doesn't matter as it is of course probable that fibers of Oswald's shirt were found in the grey jacket that's now in evidence. What you still can't figure out is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the white jacket found under the car is the same as Oswald's grey jacket that's now in evidence. I guess it must all be just a little too difficult for you to understand this.
But I guess that is all just an amazing coincidence and that Oswald was just the unluckiest SOB that ever lived.
So, being an unlucky SOB makes a murderer in your mind?
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