Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?

[Royell Storing]

RS: The Elm Ext is absolutely jammed with people.

Again, In the Darnell film you can see a white car parked on the north side of the Elm Street Extension. That wouldn't happen if the street were "jammed with people" Also, you can see people standing on the sidewalk running along the front of the TSBD. That also wouldn't be possible if the street was full of a crowd.  Speaking of which:

RS: You can even see people stretching across it in front of the Huge Gates.

These are the aforementioned people standing on the sidewalk between the TSDB and the north side of Elm. They aren't in the street, ipso facto.

When Martin is filming Harkness driving by with Euins, he's to the east of the area in Darnell where the crowd appears. Because he's filming in an eastward direction, you won't see the Darnell crowd that is standing between the dirt road, the first RR yard spur, and the pergola.

RS: And remember that the Nat Geo piece you are claiming was long after the kill shot, also shows Officer Harkness #99 3 wheel motorcycle sitting alongside Inspector Sawyer's car.

As I've already pointed out, this is much later than the Darnell and Martin film segments in question here. No question after 12:45, and probably more like 1PM, when the DPD shoos the crowd away from in front of the TSBD and actually ropes off the area around the building. That is more than enough time for Harkness to put Euins in Sawyers car, drive to the north side of the TSBD, and return to the front after he was "relieved" by arriving officers.


RS: the Officer Harkness check point.

In the Darnell film, you first see Harkness looking west, then walking back towards his three-wheeler parked near the end of the  cyclone fence. Not coincidentally, that's the area where Euins said that he ran into Harkness. Harkness explicitly testified that the area where he met Euins wasn't behind the depository. If that area wasn't behind the TSDB, then his earlier position to the west of his 3-wheeler was also not behind the depository.  The Darnell snippet is just before Euins tells Harkness about the rifleman in the window, and Harkness will soon after radio this information to the dispatcher at 12:36

              Right there 1:00. Who do you think that cop is talking to inside Sawyer's car on the Nat Geo snippet? He not talking to Morgan Freeman, "Driving Miss Daisy".

[Mitch Todd]

              Right there 1:00. Who do you think that cop is talking to inside Sawyer's car on the Nat Geo snippet? He not talking to Morgan Freeman, "Driving Miss Daisy".

A snip of film showing Euins in the car at 1:00 only means that Euins entered the the car at some point before that snippet was taken. That's all it will tell you. Euins presence in the car in that shot does not tell you how long Euins had been in the car prior. He could have sat down into the warm vinyl seat one minute before or five minutes before or ten minutes before or twenty minutes before. This isn't hard to understand.

[Royell Storing]

A snip of film showing Euins in the car at 1:00 only means that Euins entered the the car at some point before that snippet was taken. That's all it will tell you. Euins presence in the car in that shot does not tell you how long Euins had been in the car prior. He could have sat down into the warm vinyl seat one minute before or five minutes before or ten minutes before or twenty minutes before. This isn't hard to understand.

   As usual, you leave out that which You Missed right out of the gate. Officer Harkness's #99 3 Wheel Motorcycle is sitting right there next to Inspector Sawyer's car. I had to inform you as to the Harkness 3 Wheeler being in that Nat Geo snippet. And you're now stuck trying to Mickey Mouse the Harkness Timeline. His documented 12:36 radio transmission and his WC Testimony as to the order he did what he did, gives him a very firm timeline. It is physically impossible for Officer Harkness and Officer Haygood to be filmed together prior to Officer Haygood making his own documented 12:35 radio transmission. "That Ain't Haygood"!

[Royell Storing]

RS:  I am talking about the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension.

So why did you bring up the limo turn and traffic signal in the Wegman film?

there are NO BOLLARDS between Officer Harkness and this alleged motorcycle cop.

Yes there are! Not only can you see many of them in the Darnell film, others are made obvious when the motorcycle cop walks behind them.

Here, bollards are outlined in red. Note that one is in Harkness' shadow:


Here, "B" marks where the line of bollards is. You can see that two of them are silhouetted by the MC as he walks behind them:


Here he is a half step later:

                        BUMP

[Mitch Todd]

   As usual, you leave out that which You Missed right out of the gate. Officer Harkness's #99 3 Wheel Motorcycle is sitting right there next to Inspector Sawyer's car. I had to inform you as to the Harkness 3 Wheeler being in that Nat Geo snippet. And you're now stuck trying to Mickey Mouse the Harkness Timeline. His documented 12:36 radio transmission and his WC Testimony as to the order he did what he did, gives him a very firm timeline. It is physically impossible for Officer Harkness and Officer Haygood to be filmed together prior to Officer Haygood making his own documented 12:35 radio transmission. "That Ain't Haygood"!

RS: As usual, you leave out that which You Missed right out of the gate. Officer Harkness's #99 3 Wheel Motorcycle is sitting right there next to Inspector Sawyer's car.

I already addressed that, but I guess it hasn't sunk in with you yet. Here's a refresher.  Note that Harkness' cycle is facing to the west in the Nat Geo clip. However, when Harkness is carrying Euins to the front of the TSBD, they're headed east. If the Nat Geo clip was taken before Harkness went to the seal off the north side of the TSBD, then it would have been facing east. But it's facing the opposite direction. However, if the clip was taken after Harkness returned to the front of the TSBD after he was relieved on  the north side, we'd expect it to be facing west (i.e. Harkness drove the trike southwards down Houston, then a right on to Elm and the space next to Sawyer's car.)


And you're now stuck trying to Mickey Mouse the Harkness Timeline. His documented 12:36 radio transmission and his WC Testimony as to the order he did what he did, gives him a very firm timeline

My timeline for Harnkess doesn't contradict the 12:36 transmission in any way. You just aren't thinking.


It is physically impossible for Officer Harkness and Officer Haygood to be filmed together prior to Officer Haygood making his own documented 12:35 radio transmission.

You can't argue for your own points, nor against mine. All you can do is mindlessly repeat the same unsupported assertions.

[Royell Storing]

RS: As usual, you leave out that which You Missed right out of the gate. Officer Harkness's #99 3 Wheel Motorcycle is sitting right there next to Inspector Sawyer's car.

I already addressed that, but I guess it hasn't sunk in with you yet. Here's a refresher.  Note that Harkness' cycle is facing to the west in the Nat Geo clip. However, when Harkness is carrying Euins to the front of the TSBD, they're headed east. If the Nat Geo clip was taken before Harkness went to the seal off the north side of the TSBD, then it would have been facing east. But it's facing the opposite direction. However, if the clip was taken after Harkness returned to the front of the TSBD after he was relieved on  the north side, we'd expect it to be facing west (i.e. Harkness drove the trike southwards down Houston, then a right on to Elm and the space next to Sawyer's car.)


And you're now stuck trying to Mickey Mouse the Harkness Timeline. His documented 12:36 radio transmission and his WC Testimony as to the order he did what he did, gives him a very firm timeline

My timeline for Harnkess doesn't contradict the 12:36 transmission in any way. You just aren't thinking.


It is physically impossible for Officer Harkness and Officer Haygood to be filmed together prior to Officer Haygood making his own documented 12:35 radio transmission.

You can't argue for your own points, nor against mine. All you can do is mindlessly repeat the same unsupported assertions.

   The above is hilarious. YOU have no evidence as to what Harkness did with his 3 Wheel Motorcycle. Zippo. The 12:36 Harkness radio transmission and his WC Testimony telling us he then helped load Euins into Inspector Sawyer's car are FACTS.  The stuff your peddling is pure speculation thrown out there AFTER my proving it is physically impossible for Haygood and Harkness to be filmed together at 12:34. That Troika image is 12:38. This puts Officer Haygood back at his motorcycle and gives Walthers time to get to the Elm St manhole cover for his 12:39 photo. These are FACTS. That DPD Motorcycle Cop is a fraud. 

[Mitch Todd]

   The above is hilarious. YOU have no evidence as to what Harkness did with his 3 Wheel Motorcycle. Zippo. The 12:36 Harkness radio transmission and his WC Testimony telling us he then helped load Euins into Inspector Sawyer's car are FACTS.  The stuff your peddling is pure speculation thrown out there AFTER my proving it is physically impossible for Haygood and Harkness to be filmed together at 12:34. That Troika image is 12:38. This puts Officer Haygood back at his motorcycle and gives Walthers time to get to the Elm St manhole cover for his 12:39 photo. These are FACTS. That DPD Motorcycle Cop is a fraud.

YOU have no evidence as to what Harkness did with his 3 Wheel Motorcycle

I have his testimony as to where he went and the sequence in which he did. He also testified that the area west of the TSBD was not the back of building. He testified that, while at the back of the building he encountered someone from the Secret service. Forrest Sorrels testified that he returned to Dealey Plaza as quickly as possible, approaching the building on Houston, and entering the building from the back entrance....which dovetails nicely with Harkness' recollections. Harkness testified that when the relief squad showed up to replace Harkness at the back of the building, he returned to the front. Even the simplest map will show that the easiest route from the truck dock at the rear of the to the front entrance of the building is to drive south on Houston along the East side of the building. This would necessitate a right turn on Elm which would leave Harkness ride facing to the west, as we see it in the Nat Geo footage. We also see in the Martin film that Harkness is driving Euins eastward, which would mean that Harkness would have stopped his cycle facing east, not west. All of these things are "evidence," and I already mentioned it all before. You just ignore it all.