Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272

[John Corbett]

The reverberations would have no bearing on observing where they were and where JFK or his car when the first “horrible ear-shattering noise” was heard. How would reverberations affect people in the VP car recalling that their car had just completed the turn? or occupants of the VP security car observing that they had made the turn onto Elm and were along side the TSBD?

Another of your so-and-so said arguments and this one isn't even accurate. Ladybird said in here official statement to the WC:

"Then almost at the edge of town, on our way to the Trade Mart where we were going to have the luncheon, we were rounding a curve, going down a hill, and suddenly there was a sharp loud report--a shot. "

Notice she said they "were rounding a curve", not that they "had rounded the curve" which is a significant difference. The Z-film shows the VP car just beginning its turn onto Elm St. when Zapruder resumed filming. If Ladybird is correct, the first shot would have been fired in close proximity to that timeframe. Tom Graves believes it was fired a half-second earlier. I believe it was fired less than one second later. It doesn't matter which of us is correct. Either way it was fired well before your early Z190s estimate which would be over 3 seconds after Zapruder resumed filming.

[Andrew Mason]

Another of your so-and-so said arguments and this one isn't even accurate. Ladybird said in here official statement to the WC:

"Then almost at the edge of town, on our way to the Trade Mart where we were going to have the luncheon, we were rounding a curve, going down a hill, and suddenly there was a sharp loud report--a shot. "

Notice she said they "were rounding a curve", not that they "had rounded the curve" which is a significant difference. The Z-film shows the VP car just beginning its turn onto Elm St. when Zapruder resumed filming. If Ladybird is correct, the first shot would have been fired in close proximity to that timeframe. Tom Graves believes it was fired a half-second earlier. I believe it was fired less than one second later. It doesn't matter which of us is correct. Either way it was fired well before your early Z190s estimate which would be over 3 seconds after Zapruder resumed filming.

I think most people would consider turning a corner as such and not "rounding a curve". That is especially so when there is actually a distinct round curve after the corner and it is on a downhill slope, whereas the corner appears to be level and the slope starts after the turn.  This can be confirmed from the Towner film and, to some extent, in the Hughes film. 

Besides, even if it is ambiguous, her evidence should be looked at in the context of what others observed. For example, Hurchel Jacks driver of the VP car said "My car had just straightened up from making the left turn".  SA Kivett riding in the VP security car said "The motorcade was heading slightly downhill toward an underpass. As the motorcade was approximately 1/3 of the way to the underpass, traveling between 10 and 15 miles per hour, I heard a loud noise".

[John Corbett]

If you want to be taken seriously you need to show why it would be impossible. Not at z223 when  you suggest the first shot occurred but between z190-z200 when the evidence indicates it occurred. (I suggest z193). I agree a shot at z223 would not miss JBC's back. 

You could do that by specifying the angle of the trajectory not at z223 but at z193, the distance between the two men and their positions.

I have done all that by creating a 3D software model based on an accurate map of Dealey Plaza, an accurate car model and location of the car at z193 and the position of the two men in the car. This is where I found the bullet to go after passing through JFK:


It looks obvious to me that at z225 JFK's right side is not pressed against the car and he is not leaning to the right as he was in z193.

Your 3D representation is as FUBAR as your theory. JBC never turned his shoulders anywhere near that far to the right as your silly drawing shows until after he had been hit. All you have demonstrated is how much you need to bend and twist the evidence to make it conform to your impossible theory. It's a joke.

[Tom Graves]

JBC never turned his shoulders anywhere near that far to his right.

Are you sure?

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z222.jpg
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[Andrew Mason]

Are you sure?

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z222.jpg

How about z193?:



JFK and JBC are both looking in the same direction: car right about 3 o’clock. But JFK’s neck is turned about 3 o’clock to his shoulders and JBC about 12:30 to his.

Note: The blue line outlines JBC’s left shoulder and the green line demarcates Kellerman’s right shoulder which blocks part of JBC’s left side.

[Tom Graves]

How about z193?:



JFK and JBC are both looking in the same direction: car right about 3 o’clock. But JFK’s neck is turned about 3 o’clock to his shoulders and JBC about 12:30 to his.

Note: The blue line outlines JBC’s left shoulder and the green line demarcates Kellerman’s right shoulder which blocks part of JBC’s left side.

The reason JBC is turned so far to his right in Z-193 is not to look at Mary Woodward and her three clapping-and-cheering journalism colleagues (as JFK is doing), but because he recognized Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot 3.77 seconds earlier, and, after turning his head quickly to his left (starting in Z-150) to see if Nellie was okay, started turning back to his right in Z-165 to see if JFK was okay.

[John Corbett]

How about z193?:



JFK and JBC are both looking in the same direction: car right about 3 o’clock. But JFK’s neck is turned about 3 o’clock to his shoulders and JBC about 12:30 to his.

Note: The blue line outlines JBC’s left shoulder and the green line demarcates Kellerman’s right shoulder which blocks part of JBC’s left side.

His head is turn that far to the right. His torso is not and that is what matters. There is no way a bullet exiting JFK's throat at Z193 is going to go to the left of JBC's torso. It is impossible.