Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272

[Andrew Mason]

I didn't think your reasoning could get any nuttier. You surprised me.

Your claim ignores one important factor. When pigeons take off, their first move is usually to gain elevation. They usually do this for a couple seconds before acceleratign horizontally. There's no reason to believe the pigeons would be out of Rosemary Willis' field of vision by the time she looked up.

You may want to view a slow motion video of pigeons taking off from an elevated perch.  From a roof, they jump up and fly forward.  From the ground, it is not so easy to fly forward because they tend to run into things - like predators and, ironically, Tesla cars. So they have to fly up first.   And, by the way John, you might want to work on developing your ability to recognize a joke.

[John Corbett]

You may want to view a slow motion video of pigeons taking off from an elevated perch.  From a roof, they jump up and fly forward.  From the ground, it is not so easy to fly forward because they tend to run into things - like predators and, ironically, Tesla cars. So they have to fly up first.   And, by the way John, you might want to work on developing your ability to recognize a joke.

Everything you write is a joke.

[Andrew Mason]

Everything you write is a joke.

Hence my suggestion that you should work on recognizing a joke.

[John Corbett]

Hence my suggestion that you should work on recognizing a joke.

I just did.

[Tom Graves]

The truth is not up for a vote. There is only one truth whether a majority believe it or not. If a poll could decide these questions, we might as well drop this discussion now because a majority of people believe JFK died as a result of a conspiracy and that would make us both wrong. I don't know what you are looking at. There is no question JBC's head is turned far more than his shoulders [in Z-193]. His head/shoulder relation looks very similar to what we see in JFK whose head is turned sharply to his right while his shoulders are turned slightly left of Zapruder's sight line. We can see the left side of JBC's face, and we'd even be able to see his ear if the overhead bar were not blocking the view. If his shoulders were turned that far, we'd be able to see the outside of his left arm. Instead, we have a frontal view of his chest.

Question: Why has Rosemary Willis stopped looking at JFK and Jackie in Z-193 and turned her head towards the TSBD?

Answer: Because she heard Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot -- as did JBC, who, having already turned his head quickly to his left starting in Z-150, has turned it far back to his right in an attempt to catch a glimpse of JFK over his right shoulder.

It's interesting that Jackie has turned her head far to her right in Z-193, too.

[Andrew Mason]

It's interesting that Jackie has turned her head far to her right in Z-193, too.

Yes. Exactly what Mary Woodward said she and JFK did in response to their cheers and immediately BEFORE the first "horrible, ear-shattering noise".

[Tom Graves]

Yes. Exactly what Mary Woodward said she and JFK did in response to their cheers and immediately BEFORE the first "horrible, ear-shattering noise".

Is that why JBC had turned his head far to his right in Z-193 and why Rosemary Willis had stopped looking at Jackie and JFK and turned her head towards the TSBD?