Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272

[Andrew Mason]

Well, at least you tried. Finally.

I have published those many times before.

You don't have JBC's shoulders turned even close to how they were at Z271. The middle sketch approximates Zapruder's perspective but in reality, Zapruder was still slightly ahead of the limo at Z271. From Zapruder's position, JBC's shoulders were rotated clockwise away from Zapruder. You have his shoulders rotated counterclockwise from square to Zapruder. You have his head rotated more than his shoulders were turned.

As I have explained, I do not have a model that duplicates a torso twist.  I am trying to get the position of his torso at the level of his fifth rib correct, so the shoulders are not turned as much as they are in z271.  But the fifth rib is about right.  You can see this yourself if you took the time to twist your torso from a forward seating position so you could see behind you.

Here is JBC at z254-255 from the front-left (Altgens No. 6):


Here is JBC as seen in the Zfilm at z254 for comparison:



And here is what he looks like in z268:



Now if you think the entry wound in his right armpit is not visible to a shooter in the SN (Oswald) you will have to explain what is blocking it. 

Keep in mind that the angle to the SN is very small at this point.  The shot from the SN looks like this:

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[John Corbett]

I have published those many times before.

Which does nothing to improve on the inaccuracy of them.

As I have explained, I do not have a model that duplicates a torso twist.

You seem to have a goofy idea that the human torso can twist like a rubber band. The torso moves as a unit and the shoulders can move very little independently of the torso. Anyone can try this out for themselves. See how much they can rotate their shoulders while keeping the torso square to the front. Very little.

I am trying to get the position of his torso at the level of his fifth rib correct, so the shoulders are not turned as much as they are in z271.  But the fifth rib is about right.  You can see this yourself if you took the time to twist your torso from a forward seating position so you could see behind you.

The torso does not twist. The chest and abdomen rotate together. There is no twisting. The torso can turn independently of the hips but that does nothing to bolster your argument.

Here is JBC at z254-255 from the front-left (Altgens No. 6):


Here is JBC as seen in the Zfilm at z254 for comparison:



And here is what he looks like in z268:



Now if you think the entry wound in his right armpit is not visible to a shooter in the SN (Oswald) you will have to explain what is blocking it.

You keep twisting words to try to make your goofy theory sound plausible. It's not working. The wound was not in the armpit. It was in his BACK near the armpit. No part of JBC's back was exposed to the sniper's nest at Z271 which makes it impossible for Oswald to have shot JBC in the back at that frame. Not even close to being possible.

 

Keep in mind that the angle to the SN is very small at this point.  The shot from the SN looks like this:

It doesn't have to be large. JBC's back was not exposed to Oswald even if Oswald had been directly behind the limo. With Oswald slightly right of that, it makes it even more absurd that he could have shot him in the back at that time. Your theory is as ridiculous as some of the most absurd CT theories ever offered including the one that had Greer shooting JFK from the driver's seat. It's that bad.

[Zeon Mason]

So if Z271 is hitting JC at 2000ft/sec, an impact which JC recalled , surely there should be some forward moment from that impact. Where is it?

All I see in this Z270-Z280 range is a movement of JC leaning BACK while his shoulder line is still approx parallel with the right side door of the limo. Nothing anywhere near like the very dramatic movement forward  of JC at Z224 by the SBT bullet which was  only 1500ft/sec.

That one edited Z film sequence that Andrew posted i think is mistaking the perspective of JC leaning back motion as “forward”. I’d have to see some other measurement technique like John Mytton used  prove that JFKs head moved forward from Z312 to Z313.

Also a Z270 bullet would be exiting JC at about 1500ft/sec and that bullet is still a downward angle albeit slightly less than Z224.  So that bullet likely goes into the seat of Kellerman at the least and probably even into Kellermans body.

Maybe someone can hire Dale Myers  to do some new computer wizardry with this Z190 and Z270 shot proposal. Good luck though as Myers is convinced by his own previous work that he had proved the SBT at Z224 beyond reasonable doubt.