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Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on April 22, 2026, 10:27:39 PM ---I don't know why I didn't think of that before but of course Oswald's view of JFK would have been blocked by the tree from Z166 until Z210 which make highly unlikely Oswald would have even attempted a shot at Z193. Why would he do that when he would have a clear shot at JFK if he just waited one more second. JFK cleared the tree at Z210 which is why the WC concluded that is the earliest time he could have fired the single bullet. In reality, he squeezed the shot off about a half second after JFK came into the clear. He might have been tracking is target while JFK was passing under the tree, but it would have been very stupid to try to force the shot before he had a clear line of fire.
This same line of thinking casts aspersions on the HSCA conclusion that the single bullet was fired at Z189. I don't know what they were sniffing when they came up with that one. I'll bet they based that conclusion on the flawed acoustics evidence and not on the genuine Z-film.
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The FBI re-enactment in May 1964 was with the Oak tree after spring growth and will full leaves. They also used the wrong car. Even then, it showed the whole back of the car to be visible at z210.
The Secret Service film 10 days after the assassination showed the tree closer to as it was on Nov. 22/63. It showed that JFK was quite visible at all times when passing under the tree and completely clear when he had just passed the lamp post and before he pass the Thornton sign which is between z190 and z200:
Benjamin Cole:
JM-
The bullet was not tumbling when it struck JBC's back.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on April 23, 2026, 12:59:09 AM ---The FBI re-enactment in May 1964 was with the Oak tree after spring growth and will full leaves. They also used the wrong car. Even then, it showed the whole back of the car to be visible at z210.
The Secret Service film 10 days after the assassination showed the tree closer to as it was on Nov. 22/63. It showed that JFK was quite visible at all times when passing under the tree and completely clear when he had just passed the lamp post and before he pass the Thornton sign which is between z190 and z200:
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The tree in front of the TBSD was a pin oak which typically hold onto their leaves until late winter and can even keep them until the new buds appear in the spring.
CE889 shows the view from the sniper's nest at frame 166 during the SS recreation. There is plenty of foliage on the tree and while JFK is partially visible,
it is not a clear shot. It also shows there is a brief gap in the tree at Z185 but there would no reason for Oswald to rush that shot knowing his target would be completely clear in less than 2 seconds. Oswald's training would have taught him to squeeze the trigger which he wouldn't have time to do if he rushed a shot when he briefly had a window. His target came clear at Z210 and his slow squeeze at that time would have fired his rifle about a half second later.
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on April 23, 2026, 01:26:54 AM ---JM-
The bullet was not tumbling when it struck JBC's back.
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The shape of the wound was described as elliptical. An ellipse is a symmetrical shape that cannot be made by the asymmetrical shape of the side of the bullet. An ellipse can be made by a pristine bullet striking the back where the bullet direction is not perpendicular to the skin surface at the point of entry. The wound was noted by Dr. Shaw to have created a small tunnelling wound which is also inconsistent with a tumbling bullet.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on April 23, 2026, 02:09:21 AM ---The shape of the wound was described as elliptical. An ellipse is a symmetrical shape that cannot be made by the asymmetrical shape of the side of the bullet. An ellipse can be made by a pristine bullet striking the back where the bullet direction is not perpendicular to the skin surface at the point of entry. The wound was noted by Dr. Shaw to have created a small tunnelling wound which is also inconsistent with a tumbling bullet.
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The NOVA program which somebody recently posted in another thread included an excellent segment showing what happens when a Carcano bullet exits a body. It does tumble and they proved that by firing the Carcano through ballistic gel and ballistic soap with a board in front that matched the distance from JFK to JBC. The bullets consistently tumbled and made an elongated entry through the board almost the exact length of the Carcano bullet.
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