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Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
Zeon Mason:
Okay I got confused about the “missing metal”from the nose of CE399 vs the “flakes” of metal that Dr. Gregory described. Some metal was removed from the nose of CE399 for testing after it was found.
Nevertheless , those “flakes” that Dr. Gregory removed came from JCs WRIST and are claimed to be from the CE 399 bullet. So my question still is how could Andrews proposed 1st shot at Z193 possibly CE 399 since it did NOT hit JCs wrist?
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on April 22, 2026, 06:39:27 PM ---Okay I got confused about the “missing metal”from the nose of CE399 vs the “flakes” of metal that Dr. Gregory described. Some metal was removed from the nose of CE399 for testing after it was found.
Nevertheless , those “flakes” that Dr. Gregory removed came from JCs WRIST and are claimed to be from the CE 399 bullet. So my question still is how could Andrews proposed 1st shot at Z193 possibly CE 399 since it did NOT hit JCs wrist?
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I'm not sure if Andrew thinks CE399 is the bullet that hit the thigh or the wrist but either way he has a problem. Only two bullets were recovered, CE399 at Parkland and the headshot whose fragments were found on the floor of the limo that evening by the SS. There should be another bullet in the car. I believe he suggested earlier that on the JBC bullets hit the windshield so that could be the fragmented bullet on the floor but then what happened to the headshot bullet. Also how does a bullet striking either the thigh or the wrist on a downward angle and then magically elevate to go over the top of the front seat and strike the windshield. Either way, he has some explaining to do.
I'm glad I'm a proponent of the WC scenario. We don't have to deal with these dilemmas. Early on, there were some puzzling questions but reasonable answers to those were figured out a long time ago. I don't think we have any holes to fill for which there are no reasonable possibilities.
Zeon Mason:
That JFK limo front seat is solid all the way across , no gap , so a Z193 bullet that’s not stopping in JCs thigh would continue on INTO the seat. So unless there’s some weird physics happening with springs in the seat it’s dubious if the bullet would deflect upward enough to strike the windshield or even if it could do so without hitting the dashboard 1st.
And then, where does that bullet go?
I don’t see the Z193 bullet fragmenting into multiple pieces if it just went thru JFKs back and neck and only strikes into the inner left side of JCs thigh. Maybe it could have fragmented by striking springs in the seat but that’s just pure speculation and there’s no evidence of a hole in the front seat is there?
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on April 22, 2026, 06:21:57 PM ---I have no problem with that drawing. I'll take it at face value. I disagree with your assessment of JBC's shoulder turn. If you are talking about the relationship of JBC's shoulders to the Zapruder sight line, I would say at most they are perpendicular. If anything, they look slightly less. His head is turned much more sharply to his right but certainly not his shoulders. Check the Z193 frame I added to my earlier post. I see more of JBC's jacket on his right side than on his left. That indicates to me his shoulder turn is short of perpendicular to the sight line. If he was turned beyond perpendicular, we would see more of his left side.
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Maybe we should have a poll taken to determine what others think on two points:
In z193:
A. Is JBC's face turned relative to his chest or is it facing the same direction as his chest?
B. Is JBC's chest turned to JBC's right of the sightline from Zapruder, to the left of that sightline, or is his chest facing directly at Zapruder ?
I suggest that his face and chest are facing about the same direction or possibly a bit farther to JBC's right a few degrees. I suggest that his chest, therefore, is facing well to JBC's right because we can see the entire left side of JBC's face and none of his right side.
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on April 22, 2026, 08:10:49 PM ---That JFK limo front seat is solid all the way across , no gap , so a Z193 bullet that’s not stopping in JCs thigh would continue on INTO the seat. So unless there’s some weird physics happening with springs in the seat it’s dubious if the bullet would deflect upward enough to strike the windshield or even if it could do so without hitting the dashboard 1st. And then, where does that bullet go?
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As I said, there is not enough information to do anything other than speculate.
The panel in front of JBC has a metal panel and ashtray just above where JBC's knee may have been:
so it may have struck that and bounced back onto his clothing without doing any visible damage.
--- Quote ---I don’t see the Z193 bullet fragmenting into multiple pieces if it just went thru JFKs back and neck and only strikes into the inner left side of JCs thigh. Maybe it could have fragmented by striking springs in the seat but that’s just pure speculation and there’s no evidence of a hole in the front seat is there?
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The thigh bullet was definitely CE399.
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