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Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
David Von Pein:
--- Quote from: John Corbett ---Are you arguing for a first shot at Z190? How do you explain why JFK didn't raise his hands to in front of his throat until almost two second later?
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Thumb1:
"Yes, in my opinion, the HSCA was most certainly incorrect in its assessment that JFK was showing signs of being struck by a bullet as early as Zapruder frame 190. And I think the proof that the HSCA was dead wrong about that timing issue can be found later in that same Zapruder Film, in frames 224 thru 226. Because if Kennedy was hit as early as Z190, then there's no way we'd be seeing JFK doing what he's doing with the hands as late as Z226. That jerking upward of his hands would certainly have occurred well prior to Z226 if he had been hit as early as Z190." -- DVP; May 5, 2024
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/30407-favorite-author-jim-dieugenio-favorite-researcher-pat-speer/page/3/#findComment-535251
Robin Unger:
Zapruder GIF
Robin Unger:
Connally says he was hit in Frame: Z-234
Frame from JFK the movie:
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on April 20, 2026, 03:25:33 AM ---Not a single one of the 8 items you listed are evidence. They are your arguments. I'm not surprised you don't know the difference.
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Well, I gave you 9 pages of the evidence that the last two shots were closer together than the first two. I am not going to do that every time I mention it. I am just going to refer to the body of evidence bearing this out. Do you not agree that this large body of evidence set out in those 9 pages is evidence of the 1......2.
..3 shot pattern? Ditto for the 20+ witnesses that said JFN reacted to the first shot and the other 7 bodies of evidence.
--- Quote ---Are you arguing for a first shot at Z190? How do you explain why JFK didn't raise his hands to in front of his throat until almost two second later? taking two seconds before taking a breath.
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What is the normal reaction to being shot through the neck?
The change starts at z193-194. By z222 he has moved left and his hands are clenched in front of him. It may be that he did not immediately know that he had been shot through the neck. It may be that he did not realize how serious things were until he tried to take a breath and realized he couldn't breathe. A person takes a breath about every 4 seconds so maybe his dramatic reaction at z226 is when he took that next breath. (He was also wearing a complete upper body corset so when he moves his entire torso moves).
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Instead we see him calmly waving to the few remaining spectators on Elm St. until just before he goes behind the sign.
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He is not waving after z193. The change begins after z193. He turns forward, brings his hand down and eventually his arm. By z222 both hands are up in front of him and are cupped or clenched. That is about 1.5 seconds and we really don't know when those hands took that position because he was behind the sign before then..
--- Quote ---He had just started to lower his right hand and was still lowering it at Z225. It was the next frame that JFK is seen reacting to the bullet that had passed through him and Connally a few frames earlier. That's the very same frame Connally reacted by flipping his injured right arm upward.
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So his previous actions could not be a reaction to the shot through his neck?
--- Quote ---If you asked 50 witnesses in DP what happened, you'd probably get 50 different versions.
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They asked more than 50 witnesses what happened and the thrust of what they said happened is similar. But you do have to read what they said.
--- Quote ---If it went a few inches to the left of JBC's midline, why isn't there a wound on the left side of JBC's back?
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Maybe because his back/shoulders were turned sharply right. Maybe he was not as far left as you suggest. Itek said 4-8 inches. If he was 4 inches inside and leaning forward a bit, it could have passed 4-5 inches or so from his spine.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Robin Unger on April 20, 2026, 05:43:52 AM ---Connally says he was hit in Frame: Z-234
Frame from JFK the movie:
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JBC said that because he remembered after he got hit, he doubled over a dipped to his right. He looked at the Z-film and saw that stated about Z234. That reaction followed his involuntary, reflexive arm flip which began about a half second earlier at Z226, which he had no memory of. He didn't even know his wrist had been shattered until he came out of surgery.
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