Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272

[Andrew Mason]

Have you really convinced yourself of this nonsense. One look at frame Z271 should tell you that what you are claiming is impossible. It didn't happen because it couldn't happen. Not one in a million.

The path through JBC at z271 would be something like this:

except that the forearm is up higher and closer to the chest with the forearm wound in the path of the bullet exiting just below and medial to the right nipple where it is deflected slightly left and up.  The fifth rib is struck on entry and is bent (breaking near the spine) before the bullet passes through and destroys the last 10 cm of rib sending shards of bone into the lower lobe of the right lung. The bullet did not pass through the right lung and did not penetrate the chest wall - unlike a shot at z222 which would have had to pass through the chest wall and lung to exit where it did.

[Zeon Mason]

Yet here is Gov. JBC at Z-272 still holding onto the Stetson, after having been shot through the wrst (and the chest).:



Right hand is too high. Bullet goes thru the hat and JC has rotated almost 180 degree around. He would have been hit in the right arm not the back. That the way my eye sees it.

John Mytton, Where are you Superman LN? We need your measuring skills here Lol.

[Andrew Mason]

Yet here is Gov. JBC at Z-272 still holding onto the Stetson, after having been shot through the wrst (and the chest).:



Right hand is too high. Bullet goes thru the hat and JC has rotated almost 180 degree around. He would have been hit in the right arm not the back. That the way my eye sees it.

John Mytton, Where are you Superman LN? We need your measuring skills here Lol.

If his arm had been down, the bullet could have gone through the arm.  But with the arm up, it entered at the posterior edge of the right armpit.

[John Corbett]

The path through JBC at z271 would be something like this:

except that the forearm is up higher and closer to the chest with the forearm wound in the path of the bullet exiting just below and medial to the right nipple where it is deflected slightly left and up.  The fifth rib is struck on entry and is bent (breaking near the spine) before the bullet passes through and destroys the last 10 cm of rib sending shards of bone into the lower lobe of the right lung. The bullet did not pass through the right lung and did not penetrate the chest wall - unlike a shot at z222 which would have had to pass through the chest wall and lung to exit where it did.

Total nonsense. You don't have JBC turned nearly as far as he is in Z271, when his head has turned almost 180 degrees and he is almost facing Oswald.
Just look at the Z272 frame in the previous posts. JBC is in full profile and his shoulders are about 45 degrees to the path of the bullet. Your drawing would have to rotate both JBC's head and shoulders 90 degrees to be even close to accurate.

Even with the manipulated drawing you are forced to postulate  a magic bullet. The harder you try to save this turkey of a scenario, the worse it gets.

[Andrew Mason]

Total nonsense. You don't have JBC turned nearly as far as he is in Z271, when his head has turned almost 180 degrees and he is almost facing Oswald.
Just look at the Z272 frame in the previous posts. JBC is in full profile and his shoulders are about 45 degrees to the path of the bullet. Your drawing would have to rotate both JBC's head and shoulders 90 degrees to be even close to accurate.

Even with the manipulated drawing you are forced to postulate  a magic bullet. The harder you try to save this turkey of a scenario, the worse it gets.

The ribs don't turn much more if one turns the shoulders so they are aligned with the car direction.  Try it yourself and turn about 45 degrees, put your hand on your right ribs near the right armpit and then turn your shoulders another 45 degrees.  The fifth rib barely moves.  The right nipple moves a tiny bit farther right relative to the shoulder blade. 

I was just giving a general idea of where the bullet path might have gone to explain the wounds. Here is the same idea with the shoulders turned much more.  The problem is that I am just turning the photo rather than twisting the torso, so it gives a bit of a distorted position of the fifth rib:


Some will say that the bullet doesn't enter just lateral to the shoulder blade. I am using my own torso to locate the shoulder blade.  It does not change position much relative to the right nipple by just turning the shoulders another 45 degrees or so. Try it. (My photo shows a normal forward facing person turned but without twisting the torso).  I am just guessing as to how much the fifth rib flexed. It may have flexed inward more. It was a pretty forceful glancing impact and ribs are somewhat flexible.  The rib did fracture at the spine so maybe I haven't shown enough displacement of the rib.

All I can say is that if JBC was hit in the chest by the second shot, as everyone says he was, the evidence from three independent bodies of evidence is overwhelming that this is very close to the time that shot occurred.  So your anatomical arguments don't really work because they don't deal with that evidence. 

While you are critiquing the z271-272 second shot, try explaining why the change in appearance of the wrist, as well as the movement of the left sunvisor occurs at that time (this shows z268 followed by z271 followed by z272 with a 2 second pause after z272):

[Zeon Mason]

Yet here is Gov. JBC at Z-272 still holding onto the Stetson, after having been shot through the wrst (and the chest).:



Right hand is too high. Bullet goes thru the hat and JC has rotated almost 180 degree around. He would have been hit in the right arm not the back. That the way my eye sees it.

John Mytton, Where are you Superman LN? We need your measuring skills here Lol.

Ok I am not sure in this Z270 frame if JC is still holding the hat with his right hand because it looks now like it’s in his LEFT hand.
At Z frame 230, it looks like the right hand was holding it , so did he inadvertently switch to holding it with left hand?

[John Corbett]

The ribs don't turn much more if one turns the shoulders so they are aligned with the car direction.  Try it yourself and turn about 45 degrees, put your hand on your right ribs near the right armpit and then turn your shoulders another 45 degrees.  The fifth rib barely moves.  The right nipple moves a tiny bit farther right relative to the shoulder blade. 

I was just giving a general idea of where the bullet path might have gone to explain the wounds. Here is the same idea with the shoulders turned much more.  The problem is that I am just turning the photo rather than twisting the torso, so it gives a bit of a distorted position of the fifth rib:


Some will say that the bullet doesn't enter just lateral to the shoulder blade. I am using my own torso to locate the shoulder blade.  It does not change position much relative to the right nipple by just turning the shoulders another 45 degrees or so. Try it. (My photo shows a normal forward facing person turned but without twisting the torso).  I am just guessing as to how much the fifth rib flexed. It may have flexed inward more. It was a pretty forceful glancing impact and ribs are somewhat flexible.  The rib did fracture at the spine so maybe I haven't shown enough displacement of the rib.

All I can say is that if JBC was hit in the chest by the second shot, as everyone says he was, the evidence from three independent bodies of evidence is overwhelming that this is very close to the time that shot occurred.  So your anatomical arguments don't really work because they don't deal with that evidence. 

While you are critiquing the z271-272 second shot, try explaining why the change in appearance of the wrist, as well as the movement of the left sunvisor occurs at that time (this shows z268 followed by z271 followed by z272 with a 2 second pause after z272):

You're only fooling yourself. Nobody else is buying this.