The Brown Paper Bag

[Jack Nessan]

I won't play a nutters baiting game
you have a point? make it

Being baited? Into what? That you know what you have been posting is just wrong?

The point was made. I understand why you are avoiding it.

[John Corbett]

Estimates are likely never precise, but do you agree that estimating the size is not the same as observing how the package was carried by Oswald?

Yes I do. Randle said Oswald held the package near the top and it almost touched the ground. His grip would take up 4-6 inches of the length of the bag so it would seem very odd to me that he could hold a two foot long package and have it almost touch the ground. That seems much more plausible if the package was 38 inches long.

As for Frazier there seems to be agreement that Oswald carried the package into the TSBD cupping it in his right hand. The bone of contention is whether or not the top of the package was above his right shoulder. That is something Frazier could very well have not even noticed at the time he observed Oswald carrying the package.

[Michael Capasse]

Yes I do. Randle said Oswald held the package near the top and it almost touched the ground. His grip would take up 4-6 inches of the length of the bag so it would seem very odd to me that he could hold a two foot long package and have it almost touch the ground. That seems much more plausible if the package was 38 inches long.

I just measured my hand to the floor while standing upright. 2' 3"
try it yourself

As for Frazier there seems to be agreement that Oswald carried the package into the TSBD cupping it in his right hand. The bone of contention is whether or not the top of the package was above his right shoulder. That is something Frazier could very well have not even noticed at the time he observed Oswald carrying the package.

The largest piece of the rifle is the stock @ 34.8 inches....
it cannot be made any shorter

Mr. BALL - When you cupped the bottom of your package in the hands, will you stand up, again, please,
and the upper part of the package is not under the armpit, the top of the package extends almost up to the level of your ear.

Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

[Martin Weidmann]

Yes I do. Randle said Oswald held the package near the top and it almost touched the ground. His grip would take up 4-6 inches of the length of the bag so it would seem very odd to me that he could hold a two foot long package and have it almost touch the ground. That seems much more plausible if the package was 38 inches long.

As for Frazier there seems to be agreement that Oswald carried the package into the TSBD cupping it in his right hand. The bone of contention is whether or not the top of the package was above his right shoulder. That is something Frazier could very well have not even noticed at the time he observed Oswald carrying the package.

Yes I do. Randle said Oswald held the package near the top and it almost touched the ground. His grip would take up 4-6 inches of the length of the bag so it would seem very odd to me that he could hold a two foot long package and have it almost touch the ground. That seems much more plausible if the package was 38 inches long.

Define "almost touched the ground"

His grip would take up 4-6 inches of the length of the bag

Speculation

That seems much more plausible if the package was 38 inches long.

Self serving conclusion. Do you actually believe that Oswald's legs were longer than 38 inches, when was only 5 foot 9 and his arms were only about 20 inches long?

As for Frazier there seems to be agreement that Oswald carried the package into the TSBD cupping it in his right hand. The bone of contention is whether or not the top of the package was above his right shoulder. That is something Frazier could very well have not even noticed at the time he observed Oswald carrying the package.

On the photos of Frazier posted here, the 36" package reached to his ear. Frazier was taller than Oswald. The same package would he stuck out higher than Oswald's head. Pretty difficult to miss!

Besides, Frazier clearly stated that the top of the package was under Oswald's armpit.

Was Frazier lying about that or are we just dealing with a pathetic attempt to try to fit the evidence to the preconceived conclusion?

Just hours after the shooting DPD officers were already talking about the paper bag as the "rifle bag", when there was actually no way they could have made that determination.
Why was Lt Day desperately looking for an explanation after Frazier, on Friday evening, had denied that the 6th floor bag was the one he had seen Oswald carry. And why was Fritz so angry about it that he nearly hit Frazier?

[Martin Weidmann]

Duplicate

[Bill Brown]

Don't let Bill Brown fool you with those fakes.

Translation:  When you don't like what the EVIDENCE tells you, call it fake and move on.

[Martin Weidmann]

Translation:  When you don't like what the EVIDENCE tells you, call it fake and move on.

I found that "evidence" at the Ripley "believe or not" website years ago, but feel free to prove that the documents are authentic.

[Bill Brown]

Point being, in October of '64, Buell Frazier acknowledged that the assassination weapon was in the package and his car transported the rifle to the Depository building.  He even says that Oswald finalized his plans to carry out the assassination in that car.

Like it or not, Frazier states, in the affidavit, that the rifle was in the bag and therefore by default he is telling you that the bag was large enough.