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The Brown Paper Bag
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on April 09, 2026, 09:23:24 AM ---Great clip.
I wonder if LHO on 11.22 only carried the wooden stock of the M-C, having secreted the barrel into the TSBD earlier.
Gotta say, Dan Rather is not convincing in this vignette.
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That would have required him to make two trips to the Paine house. Since he only found out on Monday at the earliest that JFK was going to be passing by the TSBD, that gave him a small window of time to get his gun and Frazier never indicated he drove Oswald to the Paine's house other than on Thursday.
Oswald's reason for making a special trip to the Paine's house made no sense. His normal routine was to go with Frazier to Irving on Friday and spend the weekend with Marina and the kids, then return to Dallas with Frazier on Monday morning. He would not get to his rooming house until Monday afternoon anyway, so why the urgency to get the curtain rods on Thursday? Why not just follow his normal routine and bring the curtain rods to the TSBD on Monday morning and take them back to the rooming house on Monday afternoon. I have to believe the reason for his special trip to Irving on Thursday night was to retrieve something he needed on Friday. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out what that something was.
Benjamin Cole:
JC-
Verily, on the two trips necessary to move the M-C rifle from the Paine residence to the TSBD, if done in stages.
I concede that.
OTOH, the Dallas Morning News reported on Sept. 25 that JFK would visit Dallas on 11.22. By all accounts LHO was an avid reader of news, and a political student.
LHO is reported to have scoped out rooftop vantage points along Elm St., pre-11.22
In other words, LHO may have been planning or pondering whether to assassinate JFK in the month before 11.22, maybe from the TSBD, or maybe somewhere else, which ever was most propitious. The cavernous TSBD, with plenty of hiding spots, was a good place to cache the M-C, in any event.
So LHO moved the rifle in, but in parts. Maybe the barrel inside a pant leg.
My guess is LHO was part of the JFKA...what part, I can't tell you.
Dan Rather with that bag...I dunno. Great clip though.
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on April 09, 2026, 12:16:02 PM ---That would have required him to make two trips to the Paine house. Since he only found out on Monday at the earliest that JFK was going to be passing by the TSBD, that gave him a small window of time to get his gun and Frazier never indicated he drove Oswald to the Paine's house other than on Thursday.
Oswald's reason for making a special trip to the Paine's house made no sense. His normal routine was to go with Frazier to Irving on Friday and spend the weekend with Marina and the kids, then return to Dallas with Frazier on Monday morning. He would not get to his rooming house until Monday afternoon anyway, so why the urgency to get the curtain rods on Thursday? Why not just follow his normal routine and bring the curtain rods to the TSBD on Monday morning and take them back to the rooming house on Monday afternoon. I have to believe the reason for his special trip to Irving on Thursday night was to retrieve something he needed on Friday. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out what that something was.
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I have to believe the reason for his special trip to Irving on Thursday night was to retrieve something he needed on Friday.
The only reason that you "have to believe" that is because it fits with your preconceived opinion.
It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out what that something was.
True. All it really takes is a massive amount of assumption and speculation.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on April 09, 2026, 12:42:13 PM ---JC-
Verily, on the two trips necessary to move the M-C rifle from the Paine residence to the TSBD, if done in stages.
I concede that.
OTOH, the Dallas Morning News reported on Sept. 25 that JFK would visit Dallas on 11.22. By all accounts LHO was an avid reader of news, and a political student.
LHO is reported to have scoped out rooftop vantage points along Elm St., pre-11.22
In other words, LHO may have been planning or pondering whether to assassinate JFK in the month before 11.22, maybe from the TSBD, or maybe somewhere else, which ever was most propitious. The cavernous TSBD, with plenty of hiding spots, was a good place to cache the M-C, in any event.
So LHO moved the rifle in, but in parts. Maybe the barrel inside a pant leg.
My guess is LHO was part of the JFKA...what part, I can't tell you.
Dan Rather with that bag...I dunno. Great clip though.
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I can tell you what part played in the JFKA. He did it all by himself. It was a one man operation and there is no evidence anybody else took part.
Oswald wasn't hired by the TSBD until October 15. No motorcade was planned until the White House agreed to make the Texas trip a two day affair. There wouldn't have been time for one if the Kennedys were only going to spend one day in the state. The motorcade route wasn't determined until the luncheon site was selected. The motorcade route was determined by the selection of the Trade Mart for the luncheon and that didn't happen until November 14. The route wasn't made public until November 18. Oswald could not have known before then of the opportunity fate had dealt him. On top of that, why would Oswald have bothered bringing the barrel in on a separate trip and risk having it discovered. The barrel was the shorter of the two pieces and would easily fit in the bag.
Nothing you have suggested makes the least bit of sense.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on April 09, 2026, 03:09:07 PM ---I have to believe the reason for his special trip to Irving on Thursday night was to retrieve something he needed on Friday.
The only reason that you "have to believe" that is because it fits with your preconceived opinion.
It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out what that something was.
True. All it really takes is a massive amount of assumption and speculation.
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All it takes is a look at the forensic evidence and apply common sense. The bag had Oswald's palm and fingerprint on it. It contained fibers that matched the blanket Oswald used to store his rifle in the Paine's garage.
I'd love to hear a plausible alternative explanation for the known evidence from you but I know I won't because there isn't one.
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