The Brown Paper Bag

[Martin Weidmann]

I can't blame him, you conspiracy Kooks theorists are psychotic and have badgered Frazier continually, as you say "for the next 60 years", he had no choice, otherwise you people would have made his life HELL!

JohnM

That's not the impression I got from him. Frazier is more than helpful to talk to and deal with people who do not blindly believe the WC's allegations.
Not so much with LN nuts.

[John Corbett]

The issue is not the length of the paper bag - it's the length of the object in the bag.
Both Randall and Frazier report Oswald carrying the package in incredibly specific ways that, if taken at face value, make it impossible for the object in the paper bag to be a rifle, disassembled or not.
Frazier has the object cupped in Oswald's hand and held under his armpit.
Randall seems to describe Oswald carrying the object down by his side, almost touching the ground.
It doesn't matter what guesses Frazier and Randall made about the length of the package.
What matters is the way they describe the object being held as this sets a limit on how long the object can be.
For a man of Oswald's physical stature, it is physically impossible for him to be carrying a 34.8 inch disassembled rifle in the ways described by Frazier and Randall.
At a guess, the object must be somewhere between 24 - 28 inches in order to be carried in the ways Frazier and Randall describe.
If not a rifle, what can this object possibly be, as it is clearly not Oswald's lunch bag?

It has never been established that Oswald had the package tucked under his armpit. That was the recollection of ONE witness who by his own admission wasn't paying that much attention to it. Why the hell would he. Eyewitness recollections do not establish facts because eyewitnesses can be and often are wrong. As of Linnie May Randle's observation, whether right or wrong, you never bother to tell us why it would have been impossible for Oswald to carry the longer package in the manner described.

[Michael Capasse]

It has never been established that Oswald had the package tucked under his armpit. That was the recollection of ONE witness who by his own admission wasn't paying that much attention to it. Why the hell would he. Eyewitness recollections do not establish facts because eyewitnesses can be and often are wrong. As of Linnie May Randle's observation, whether right or wrong, you never bother to tell us why it would have been impossible for Oswald to carry the longer package in the manner described.

  He knew exactly what he saw.
Then failed to identify the bag allegedly found upstairs

[John Corbett]

He knew exactly what he saw.
Then failed to identify the bag allegedly found upstairs

How do you know he he knew exactly what he saw and that he didn't get some details wrong which is what eyewitnesses commonly do?

[Michael Capasse]

How do you know he he knew exactly what he saw and that he didn't get some details wrong which is what eyewitnesses commonly do?

 

[Dan O'meara]

It has never been established that Oswald had the package tucked under his armpit. That was the recollection of ONE witness who by his own admission wasn't paying that much attention to it. Why the hell would he. Eyewitness recollections do not establish facts because eyewitnesses can be and often are wrong. As of Linnie May Randle's observation, whether right or wrong, you never bother to tell us why it would have been impossible for Oswald to carry the longer package in the manner described.

Hi John, I totally get why you believe Oswald is carrying his rifle in the bag.
The Back Yard photos are genuine and show Oswald with a Mannlicher-Carcano. It is perfectly reasonable to assume this is the same rifle found on the 6th floor of the TSBD building and that it was Oswald who brought it there.
Oswald finds out JFK will pass the building and decides, for some strange reason, to kill him (even though his sworn enemy, Connally, will be in the motorcade). He keeps his rifle at the Paine house, Marina testifies to seeing a gun stock in a blanket bag in the garage, he has to break his routine and go to the Paine house on Thursday, he collects the rifle (later that day Marina sees that the rifle is no longer in the blanket bag) and he shows up for his ride to work with an unusually long package in which there is something substantial.
I get it.
But the fact remains, both Frazier and, in particular, Randle seem to describe Oswald carrying this package in ways which refute the notion that there is a 34.8 inch object in the bag.
Both of them.
It is poor methodology to write off their witness statements because the evidence they provide undermines your theory (and it is a theory, never forget that).
Frazier might not have been paying special attention to the package but he was fully aware of it and asked Oswald about it. He saw it put on the back seat and he saw Oswald carrying it under his armpit. This puts a limit on how long the object in the package is and it is physically impossible for an object more than 34 inches to be carried in such a way.
Importantly, Randle corroborates this observation with her own. You don't seem to understand how this is the case.
She describes Oswald holding the package in his right hand by the folded top of the bag acting as a handle. This mean the object is hanging below his hand and just above the ground. If the object in the package was almost 3 feet long it would be dragging across the floor behind him as he walked along. Oswald's physical stature - his height, the length of his arms, the length of his legs, etc. - determines the length of an object being carried in such a way.

There are many other issues with this bag that don't sit quite right, not least the fact that he never even needed to construct a bag to carry the rifle as he had his blanket bag with the rifle already in it.
Personally, the biggest problem I have with the bag is that it is found in the Sniper's Nest which implies Oswald took the disassembled rifle to that spot and assembled it while he was sat in the Sniper's Nest. I don't see how this is possible.

[Bill Brown]

Hi John, I totally get why you believe Oswald is carrying his rifle in the bag.
The Back Yard photos are genuine and show Oswald with a Mannlicher-Carcano. It is perfectly reasonable to assume this is the same rifle found on the 6th floor of the TSBD building and that it was Oswald who brought it there.
Oswald finds out JFK will pass the building and decides, for some strange reason, to kill him (even though his sworn enemy, Connally, will be in the motorcade). He keeps his rifle at the Paine house, Marina testifies to seeing a gun stock in a blanket bag in the garage, he has to break his routine and go to the Paine house on Thursday, he collects the rifle (later that day Marina sees that the rifle is no longer in the blanket bag) and he shows up for his ride to work with an unusually long package in which there is something substantial.
I get it.
But the fact remains, both Frazier and, in particular, Randall seem to describe Oswald carrying this package in ways which refute the notion that there is a 34.8 inch object in the bag.
Both of them.
It is poor methodology to write off their witness statements because the evidence they provide undermines your theory (and it is a theory, never forget that).
Frazier might not have been paying special attention to the package but he was fully aware of it and asked Oswald about it. He saw it put on the back seat and he saw Oswald carrying it under his armpit. This puts a limit on how long the object in the package is and it is physically impossible for an object more than 34 inches to be carried in such a way.
Importantly, Randall corroborates this observation with her own. You don't seem to understand how this is the case.
She describes Oswald holding the package in his right hand by the folded top of the bag acting as a handle. This mean the object is hanging below his hand and just above the ground. If the object in the package was almost 3 feet long it would be dragging across the floor behind him as he walked along. Oswald's physical stature - his height, the length of his arms, the length of his legs, etc. - determines the length of an object being carried in such a way.

There are many other issues with this bag that don't sit quite right, not least the fact that he never even needed to construct a bag to carry the rifle as he had his blanket bag with the rifle already in it.
Personally, the biggest problem I have with the bag is that it is found in the Sniper's Nest which implies Oswald took the disassembled rifle to that spot and assembled it while he was sat in the Sniper's Nest. I don't see how this is possible.

You agree that Oswald was carrying a long(ish) package to work that morning.  If not the rifle, what was in the bag?