The Brown Paper Bag

[John Corbett]

JC-

I dunno.

There are so many witnesses to the smoke-and-bang show at the GK, and the 100% telltale smell of gunsmoke in that area in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, that I have to suspect there was at least a diversion from the GK.

So, at a minimum, that is a party of two in the JFKA.

The entry wound to the volar side of JBC's wrist is inexplicable. Try putting a watch on your right wrist the normal way, and then touching the watch dial to your navel. Dr. Robert Shaw, JBC's surgeon, a someone with a great deal of experience (he treated 700 wartime bullet wound victims) thought it inexplicable JBC's wrist wound resulted from the same bullet that entered JBC's back and existed his front.

As stated, I am of the view JBC was struck ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313, and that suggests two shooters behind the limo.

I don't think the JFKA required much planning or expertise---that is usually the CT mania, meaning that CIA did it, or Mossad. Maybe LHO's confederates, like LHO, had military training.

LHO got lucky with the final motorcade route. Otherwise, he and a confederate might have taken up positions elsewhere along the motorcade route. Or maybe even dropped the idea.

IMHO, the problem with CT'ers is they insist LHO was totally uninvolved in the JFKA.

The LN'ers insist no one else was involved at all in the JFKA, except LHO. 

I think LHO was involved in the JFKA C.

Just IMHO.

There is no forensic evidence of a shooter from any location other than the sniper's nest in the TSBD. The smell of gunpowder gives us no clue as to where that smell originated. Some people thought the shots sounded like they came from the GK and others thoughtit sounded like it came from the direction of the TSBD. The TSBD earwitnesses are supported by a wealth of forensic evidence found in the TSBD as well as an eyewitness to saw the shooter fire the final shot. There is no corroboration to support the GK earwitnesses. I know which group I'm putting my money on.

Of course LHO was "involved". He was the one who did it. He needed no help and there is no credible evidence he had any.

IMHO your IMHO is FUBAR.

[John Mytton]

JC-

I dunno.

There are so many witnesses to the smoke-and-bang show at the GK, and the 100% telltale smell of gunsmoke in that area in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, that I have to suspect there was at least a diversion from the GK.

So, at a minimum, that is a party of two in the JFKA.

The entry wound to the volar side of JBC's wrist is inexplicable. Try putting a watch on your right wrist the normal way, and then touching the watch dial to your navel. Dr. Robert Shaw, JBC's surgeon, a someone with a great deal of experience (he treated 700 wartime bullet wound victims) thought it inexplicable JBC's wrist wound resulted from the same bullet that entered JBC's back and existed his front.

As stated, I am of the view JBC was struck ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313, and that suggests two shooters behind the limo.

I don't think the JFKA required much planning or expertise---that is usually the CT mania, meaning that CIA did it, or Mossad. Maybe LHO's confederates, like LHO, had military training.

LHO got lucky with the final motorcade route. Otherwise, he and a confederate might have taken up positions elsewhere along the motorcade route. Or maybe even dropped the idea.

IMHO, the problem with CT'ers is they insist LHO was totally uninvolved in the JFKA.

The LN'ers insist no one else was involved at all in the JFKA, except LHO. 

I think LHO was involved in the JFKA C.

Just IMHO.

The scenario that you are subscribing too, means that there was shooters behind and in front and since the "conspirators" wanted to have a lone gunman behind, why on Earth would they place any shooter in the front, I'd understand a dozen shooters in the buildings behind but a single shooter in front and the plan is ruined.
But let's look at the evidence of the earwitnesses, the majority of these witnesses heard only 3 shots and the vast majority heard shots from only one direction, now in the echo chamber of Dealey Plaza some witnesses were confused to the actual direction but if they were caught in an actual cross fire this would be immediately apparent. And since we all know that both Kennedy and Connally were struck in the back then we can confirm that ALL the shots came from behind.

The majority of Earwitnesses heard three shots.



Only a tiny fraction heard shots from more than one direction, which effectively rules out the illogical frontal assassin.



JohnM

[Benjamin Cole]

JC--

Re the gunsmoke smell in DP in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA:

We know, from coats and dresses, that the wind was blowing towards the TSBD at the time of the JFKA.

Ergo, the TSBD6 sniper's gunsmoke was not down by the GK.

IMHO, the nose-witnesses smelled gunsmoke down by the GK as there was in fact gunsmoke down by the GK area.

[Benjamin Cole]

JM-

Thanks for your collegial comments.

But, in fact, I do not subscribe to the theory that someone wanted to make LHO the patsy, and thus ergo would not place a gunsel on the GK area.

If I had to guess, the JFKA C was a make-do or ad hoc operation, but with people with military experience, such as LHO. They knew enough to have more than one gunsel, and perhaps to arrange a diversion, down by the GK. They could handle firearms.

BTW, a S&W snub-nose .38, the default concealed handgun of the time, released a great deal of noise and smoke, due to the short barrel. (And yes, even today cheaper grades of ammo give off a lot of smoke, as anyone who goes to a gun-range knows).

Re the gunsmoke smell in DP in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA:

We know, from coats and dresses, that the wind was blowing towards the TSBD at the time of the JFKA.

Ergo, the TSBD6 sniper's gunsmoke was not down by the GK.

IMHO, the nose-witnesses smelled gunsmoke down by the GK, as there was in fact gunsmoke down by the GK area in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA.

LHO may have been left "holding the bag" as he was the only one caught. So LHO concocted the "patsy" explanation.

Sure, some CT'ers have devised elaborate (and more than elaborate) explanations of a sophisticated JFKA.

Not me. I think the JFK CT was three guys, including LHO. They got lucky in some regards. Possibly G2'ers, or Alpha 66'ers who told LHO they were G2'ers. Both G2'ers and Alpha 66'ers had loads of reasons for the JFKA. Some G2'ers were double agents, embedded inside of Alpha-66 which had a regional HQ on Harlandale in Dallas.

Side note: You notice that CT'ers almost invariably and rigidly insist LHO was in no way at all involved in the JFKA...but LN'ers insist LHO, absolutely and well beyond all reasonable doubt, must have acted alone?

Well, just my IMHO.

Add on: Dr. Robert Shaw's expert commentary regarding JBC's wrist wound are worth contemplating.

[John Mytton]

JM-

Thanks for your collegial comments.

But, in fact, I do not subscribe to the theory that someone wanted to make LHO the patsy, and thus ergo would not place a gunsel on the GK area.

If I had to guess, the JFKA C was a make-do or ad hoc operation, but with people with military experience, such as LHO. They knew enough to have more than one gunsel, and perhaps to arrange a diversion, down by the GK. They could handle firearms.

BTW, a S&W snub-nose .38, the default concealed handgun of the time, released a great deal of noise and smoke, due to the short barrel. (And yes, even today cheaper grades of ammo give off a lot of smoke, as anyone who goes to a gun-range knows).

Re the gunsmoke smell in DP in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA:

We know, from coats and dresses, that the wind was blowing towards the TSBD at the time of the JFKA.

Ergo, the TSBD6 sniper's gunsmoke was not down by the GK.

IMHO, the nose-witnesses smelled gunsmoke down by the GK, as there was in fact gunsmoke down by the GK area in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA.

LHO may have been left "holding the bag" as he was the only one caught. So LHO concocted the "patsy" explanation.

Sure, some CT'ers have devised elaborate (and more than elaborate) explanations of a sophisticated JFKA.

Not me. I think the JFK CT was three guys, including LHO. They got lucky in some regards. Possibly G2'ers, or Alpha 66'ers who told LHO they were G2'ers. Both G2'ers and Alpha 66'ers had loads of reasons for the JFKA. Some G2'ers were double agents, embedded inside of Alpha-66 which had a regional HQ on Harlandale in Dallas.

Side note: You notice that CT'ers almost invariably and rigidly insist LHO was in no way at all involved in the JFKA...but LN'ers insist LHO, absolutely and well beyond all reasonable doubt, must have acted alone?

Well, just my IMHO.

Add on: Dr. Robert Shaw's expert commentary regarding JBC's wrist wound are worth contemplating.

BTW, a S&W snub-nose .38, the default concealed handgun of the time, released a great deal of noise and smoke, due to the short barrel.

Less than 1 in 20 earwitnesses claimed sounds emanating from more than 1 direction, being in a situation where loud sounds were coming from multiple directions would be extremely obvious and especially from either end of Dealey Plaza.



And considering the amount of people in Dealey Plaza and the strong wind blowing up Elm, wouldn't there be a lot more people who would have smelt gunsmoke?

JohnM

[Benjamin Cole]

JM-

I don't have the figures, but there were lots of people reporting gunsmoke smell down by GK.

Pat Speer has done some good work in this area.

Well, I have shot my wad on this topic for now.

Just IMHO....caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

[Martin Weidmann]

Dear Martin,

How can you be so right about Donald Trump, and so wrong about the JFKA?

-- Tom

What exactly am I being wrong about?

Not confusing speculation and assumptions for evidence?

You need actual conclusive evidence to find somebody guilty, right?
So why is it enough for the LN's to make stuff up for which there is no evidence?

Why isn't it a problem to first assume a person to be guilty and then work backwards to try and find the evidence (no matter how weak it is) to support the conclusion?