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On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 32, The Single-Bullet Theory Panel Discussion
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on April 03, 2026, 02:00:48 AM ---The Zapruder film shows that Governor Connally shot around Z-295 and JFK was shot at Z-313.
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You're mistaken, because you lend far too much credence to the traumatized memory of the highly-confident-by-definition politician known as Governor John B. Connally, and because you fail to acknowledge the fact that Connally started turning far to his right around Z-164 to see where the first, missing-everything, shot had come from (he knew from the sound that it was behind him) and to see, by glancing over his right shoulder, if JFK was okay.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z164.jpg
But couldn't "see" JFK over his right shoulder because by Z-175 JFK had turned his head far to his right and raised his forearm and hand to wave to someone.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z175.jpg
Connally (and JFK, of course) were then hit from behind at approximately Z-222 as Connally was just starting to turn back to his left with the intention of looking over his left shoulder to see where the shot had come from and whether or not JFK was okay, but he only got about 20 degrees there in his intended 200-degree rotation.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z222.jpg
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Benjamin Cole:
TG-
We have belabored this point a few times.
I match Gov. JBC's testimony to the Z-film.
But even without JBC's testimony (and that of his wife), to my layman's eye, JBC is shot at ~z-295 and is indeed a bit pushed forward by the blow---which took out four inches of rub, and thus was meeting resistance as it passed through his body. (It is true, sometimes bullets will pass through a body, while the body remains relatively still, if only soft flesh or organs are struck).
JBC appears entirely uninjured right up ~Z-295.
I could on---JBC's surgeon said his opinion was that a separate bullet had struck JBC from the one that passed through JFK. Dr. Shaw had worked on 700 wartime gunshot victims.
Caveat emptor, and draw you own conclusions.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on April 03, 2026, 06:24:34 AM ---TG-
We have belabored this point a few times.
I match Gov. JBC's testimony to the Z-film.
But even without JBC's testimony (and that of his wife), to my layman's eye, JBC is shot at ~z-295 and is indeed a bit pushed forward by the blow---which took out four inches of rub, and thus was meeting resistance as it passed through his body. (It is true, sometimes bullets will pass through a body, while the body remains relatively still, if only soft flesh or organs are struck).
JBC appears entirely uninjured right up ~Z-295.
I could on---JBC's surgeon said his opinion was that a separate bullet had struck JBC from the one that passed through JFK. Dr. Shaw had worked on 700 wartime gunshot victims.
Caveat emptor, and draw you own conclusions.
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LOL!
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on April 03, 2026, 06:24:34 AM ---TG-
We have belabored this point a few times.
I match Gov. JBC's testimony to the Z-film.
But even without JBC's testimony (and that of his wife), to my layman's eye, JBC is shot at ~z-295 and is indeed a bit pushed forward by the blow---which took out four inches of rub, and thus was meeting resistance as it passed through his body. (It is true, sometimes bullets will pass through a body, while the body remains relatively still, if only soft flesh or organs are struck).
JBC appears entirely uninjured right up ~Z-295.
I could on---JBC's surgeon said his opinion was that a separate bullet had struck JBC from the one that passed through JFK. Dr. Shaw had worked on 700 wartime gunshot victims.
Caveat emptor, and draw you own conclusions.
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I have one question.
Are you freaking serious?
JBC turned and dipped to his right, then twisted so dramatically in his seat that he was facing directly at JFK, a 180 degree turn. And what do you suppose caused his right arm to suddenly flip upward at Z226, the same frame JFK's arms started upward.
Your explanation is a classic example of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. It simply doesn't fit with what we can plainly see for ourselves.
Benjamin Cole:
JC-
My layman's take:
This is an image of JBC at Z-222 (see link below), JBC is sitting straight and upright, looks uninjured to me. You can see Jackie K. is looking with concern towards JFK. The President has already been shot. But JBC looks unharmed.
JBC may, or may not look alarmed (your call good as any) in the next few frames, but at this point he has heard the gunshot. I think he looks alarmed, startled, has sense of an impact behind him.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z222.jpg
OK, here we have the left profile of JBC's face (see link below), as he had turned around to look for JFK, after hearing the gunshot. That is what he testified. No sign of blood on JBC. This about 2.8 seconds after JFK has been shot.
JBC never testified to having been spun around by the shot that struck him. He testified that under his own power he turned around.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z271.jpg
~Z-295 this is where I think JBC is shot. Hard to tell, as his torso is below the door, out of view.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z295.jpg
Here JBC looks possibly to be pain:
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z298.jpg
More pain:
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z305.jpg
JBC is registering pain at Z-305, but that is 4.6 seconds after JFK was struck at Z-222.
JFK registered pain almost immediately during-after Z-222, as seen by Jackie K's reaction. Granted, not all people are alike...but seems like stretch that JBC would have such a delayed reaction.
If you read through Dr Shaw's WC and HSCA testimonies, you will see he is skeptical that one shot struck both JBC and JFK, and also wonders aloud where the shot that struck JBC's wrist came from.
Anyways, that my view.
Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.
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