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Robert Groden claims has original Wiegman film, says Prayerman is not LHO
Gerry Down:
--- Quote from: Mark Ulrik on April 15, 2026, 05:18:43 PM ---I think it stands for New Frontier Video, a company created by Groden back in the day.
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David Von Pein:
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After watching the entire 47-minute video above, I find it really strange that we don't hear Bob Groden, at any point in the lengthy video, say a single word about the so-called "Prayer Man" figure in the TSBD doorway. Not a word. Bob only talks about the decades-old "Billy Lovelady / Doorway Man" controversy.
Based on the fact that Groden only brought up the topic of Lovelady as the man in the Depository doorway, I got the strong impression that Mr. Groden isn't even aware of the newer "Prayer Man" theory.
Is it possible that Bob actually thinks the reason that Jefferson Morley and others are so anxious to see the original versions of the Wiegman and Darnell films is to only focus on the Billy Lovelady figure in the films, rather than focus on the Prayer Man individual? Sure sounded that way to me in the above video interview. Very odd.
I'm also perplexed by this oddity that I noticed while watching the above video....
Why does Mr. Groden's DVD copy of his 1995 "Assassination Films" DVD display the Wiegman Film in a widescreen format? It was certainly not filmed in widescreen. It should be viewed in the proper 4x3 ratio, which is exactly how it is displayed on the version of Groden's DVD that I own. (The version I have was released by Delta Entertainment in 2003, but it has the exact same DVD menus and narration as Groden's original 1995 edition.)
Gerry Down:
--- Quote from: David Von Pein on April 16, 2026, 06:09:18 AM ---I'm also perplexed by this oddity that I noticed while watching the above video....
Why does Mr. Groden's DVD copy of his 1995 "Assassination Films" DVD display the Wiegman Film in a widescreen format? It was certainly not filmed in widescreen. It should be viewed in the proper 4x3 ratio, which is exactly how it is displayed on the version of Groden's DVD that I own. (The version I have was released by Delta Entertainment in 2003, but it has the exact same DVD menus and narration as Groden's original 1995 edition.)
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Perhaps you just have a narrow TV 😅
Gerry Down:
--- Quote from: David Von Pein on April 16, 2026, 06:09:18 AM ---After watching the entire 47-minute video above, I find it really strange that we don't hear Bob Groden, at any point in the lengthy video, say a single word about the so-called "Prayer Man" figure in the TSBD doorway. Not a word. Bob only talks about the decades-old "Billy Lovelady / Doorway Man" controversy.
Based on the fact that Groden only brought up the topic of Lovelady as the man in the Depository doorway, I got the strong impression that Mr. Groden isn't even aware of the newer "Prayer Man" theory.
Is it possible that Bob actually thinks the reason that Jefferson Morley and others are so anxious to see the original versions of the Wiegman and Darnell films is to only focus on the Billy Lovelady figure in the films, rather than focus on the Prayer Man individual? Sure sounded that way to me in the above video interview. Very odd.
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Groden would have seen the original Wiegman in the 1990s before the Prayerman theory was developed as far as I understand it. So Groden possibly never even looked for the Prayerman figure when he had the opportunity to do so.
Isn't Lovelady supposed to be walking down the elm street extension in the Wiegman/Darnell film? So no one is putting Lovelady at the doorway in the Wiegman film anyway.
This would mean that the only known living person to have viewed the original Wiegman film, Groden, quiet possibly never even looked at the figure in the doorway that later developed into the Prayerman theory.
Gerry Down:
--- Quote from: Gerry Down on April 16, 2026, 07:02:33 AM ---Groden would have seen the original Wiegman in the 1990s before the Prayerman theory was developed as far as I understand it. So Groden possibly never even looked for the Prayerman figure when he had the opportunity to do so.
Isn't Lovelady supposed to be walking down the elm street extension in the Wiegman/Darnell film? So no one is putting Lovelady at the doorway in the Wiegman film anyway.
This would mean that the only known living person to have viewed the original Wiegman film, Groden, quiet possibly never even looked at the figure in the doorway that later developed into the Prayerman theory.
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Either that or he did look at the figure that would later become known as Prayerman and determined it was not Oswald and proceeded to mistake the figure as being Lovelady.
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