S. M. Holland's "Smoke" on the Grassy Knoll

[Tom Graves]

Baker did not "act." He did the opposite. This is not second guessing. There is protocol for these situations. When a cop "pats" someone down, they automatically check their ID. If the person is not carrying an ID, that's a problem. Especially in a situation involving an unknown "active" shooter(s).

Dear Royell,

Was Police Officer Cop Officer Baker just wasting time when he asked Truly if Oswald worked there?

-- Tom

[Steve Howsley]

Your ignorance is truly mind boggling. Do you really think it is necessary to prove motive to convict a person of murder or prove why he took each and every action he did? You seem to have a mindset that we have to prove every last detail in order to prove an accused person is guilty of murder. If that were true, I could walk down a busy street in any city in the country and shoot and kill a person at random and I couldn't be convicted unless the prosecution could prove why I did it. Of course we don't need to know everything. The fact we don't know everything doesn't mean we need to ignore what we do know. We know Oswald was the assassin, at least those of us with common sense who are aware of the evidence against him.

You, on the other hand are perfectly to believe the nonsense that someone else killed JFK even though you have zero evidence of such and zero evidence of why they did it. You'll simply believe something because you like that story better than the one supported by real evidence.

Excellent points

[Royell Storing]

Dear Royell,

Was Police Officer Cop Officer Baker just wasting time when he asked Truly if Oswald worked there?

-- Tom

  Once again, your weak JFK Assassination Foundation is showing. Baker did Not "ask" Truly if "Oswald worked there". Do the research.

[John Corbett]

  Once again, your weak JFK Assassination Foundation is showing. Baker did Not "ask" Truly if "Oswald worked there". Do the research.

From Baker's signed report:
     The manager said, "I know that man, he works here."

What difference does it make whether Baker asked Truly or Truly volunteered the information. Baker got the information and decided to continue up the stairs to where he believed the shots were fired from. Baker had no way of knowing the shooter was an employee.

[Tom Graves]

Baker did not "ask" Truly if "Oswald worked there."

Dear Royell,

Regardless, given the fact that

1) Baker believed the shots had come from six floors higher (i.e., the roof), and

2) Oswald was on the second floor when he encountered him, and

3) Oswald was calm, and

4) Truly vouched for Oswald's employment there,

It was logical for Police Officer Cop Officer Baker to not waste time patting Oswald down to see if he was concealing a rifle in his pocket, but to let him enjoy is Coke-Cola and for Truly and himself to continue their potentially dangerous journey upwards.

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

From Baker's signed report:
     The manager said, "I know that man, he works here."

What difference does it make whether Baker asked Truly or Truly volunteered the information. Baker got the information and decided to continue up the stairs to where he believed the shots were fired from. Baker had no way of knowing the shooter was an employee.

     Your bias has blinded you. This is sad to witness.
     The discussion was about Baker NOT PATTING Oswald down. Graves said that Baker asked Oswald if he worked at the TSBD. I replied this never happened. Officer Baker did NOT even do that. The Point Being?  Baker's display of Total Incompetence amid searching for an "active" shooter inside the TSBD.  And, Baker's incompetence can therefore also be on display in his WC Testimony. His testimony gets very blurry when he sees 2 people near the elevator, and then again with Oswald in the lunchroom and the coke bottle stuff.      Please shake yourself and wake up!

[John Corbett]

     Your bias has blinded you. This is sad to witness.
     The discussion was about Baker NOT PATTING Oswald down. Graves said that Baker asked Oswald if he worked at the TSBD. I replied this never happened. Officer Baker did NOT even do that. The Point Being?  Baker's display of Total Incompetence amid searching for an "active" shooter inside the TSBD.  And, Baker's incompetence can therefore also be on display in his WC Testimony. His testimony gets very blurry when he sees 2 people near the elevator, and then again with Oswald in the lunchroom and the coke bottle stuff.      Please shake yourself and wake up!

Your comment about my bias blinding me set off a irony alert.

You seem to be the only one fixated on Baker having not patted Oswald down, as if this was some sort of requirement. Cops do not pat down every person of interest they come in contact with. You keep insisting without any support that this was SOP.

For the record, Baker never said Oswald had a Coke when he saw him. Someone else wrote up a statement for Baker to sign, based upon notes taken during the interview. Baker read the report and initially refused to sign because he had never said Oswald had a Coke. He was asked to cross out that reference and initial the correction which he did before signing the corrected document.