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Podcast On Tippit
Bill Brown:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on April 16, 2026, 07:14:47 PM ---Bowles said they could be off by a minute or two (even three minutes is stretching it). He did not say they could be off by as much as six or seven minutes.
Again, nobody claimed he said that. He did however say a few other things.
A master clock on the telephone room wall was connected to the City Hall system. This clock reported "official" time.
He doesn't tell us if the City Hall system was a 100% correct or what "official" time was.
Within the dispatcher's office there were numerous other time giving and time recording devices, both in the telephone room and in the radio room. Telephone operators and radio operators were furnished "Simplex" clocks. Because the hands often worked loose, they indicated the incorrect time. However, their purpose was to stamp the time, day and date on incoming calls. While they were reliable at this, they were not synchronized as stated in the Committee report. Therefore, it was not uncommon for the time stamped on calls to be a minute to two ahead or behind the "official" time shown on the master clock.
He also doesn't tell us if the time giving devices in the telephone and radio rooms were in sinc with the master clock on the telephone room wall. He only tells us that the clocks were not sunchronized.
When clocks were as much as a minute or so out of synchronization it was normal procedure to make the needed adjustments. During busy periods this was not readily done.
I would call the time between Kennedy's murder and Oswald's arrest a pretty busy period. So, here again we don't know if the needed adjustments were in fact made.
And then of course, there is the fact that the recording goes blank for a minute or so just around the time Tippit allegedly was shot. How big the gap really was, we'll never know.
Combined, it provides enough doubt about the accuracy of the timestamps.
You either believe the timestamps are off by six or seven minutes or you believe that T.F. Bowley lollygagged around for six or seven minutes before jumping on the police radio to report the shooting while Tippit's body was lying in the street bleeding from the head.
Bowley picked up his daughter from school at 1 PM. I have driven the route Bowley drove between the school and 10th street at various times with light and heavy traffic and the average time came to roughly 1:13. So, Bowley's watch could have been off by three minutes, which I don't rely on that observation. What I don't believe and never will believe is that Bowley stood around for four minutes and did nothing. See, the argument works both ways!
The timestamps are most certainly off. There is no doubt in my mind about that. Bowley's arrival at 1:13 fits perfectly with Tippit being shot at around 1:10 or 1:11. It does also fit with Markham's timeline for getting to the bus stop, where she - in her mind - needed to be at 1:15. And it also fits with the arrival of the ambulance at the hospital at 1:15 as also confirmed by Detective Daveport who followed the ambulance to the hospital.
Or....
Perhaps I should ask it this way...
Do you accept that Bowley reported the shooting on the police radio at 1:17?
Already answered hundreds of times in the past and now again: the answer is NO
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--- Quote ---You either believe the timestamps are off by six or seven minutes or you believe that T.F. Bowley lollygagged around for six or seven minutes before jumping on the police radio to report the shooting while Tippit's body was lying in the street bleeding from the head.
Bowley picked up his daughter from school at 1 PM. I have driven the route Bowley drove between the school and 10th street at various times with light and heavy traffic and the average time came to roughly 1:13. So, Bowley's watch could have been off by three minutes, which I don't rely on that observation. What I don't believe and never will believe is that Bowley stood around for four minutes and did nothing. See, the argument works both ways!
The timestamps are most certainly off. There is no doubt in my mind about that. Bowley's arrival at 1:13 fits perfectly with Tippit being shot at around 1:10 or 1:11. It does also fit with Markham's timeline for getting to the bus stop, where she - in her mind - needed to be at 1:15. And it also fits with the arrival of the ambulance at the hospital at 1:15 as also confirmed by Detective Daveport who followed the ambulance to the hospital.
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Or Bowley picked up his daughter at 1:03 and arrived on the scene at 1:16.
It seems you certainly believe the timestamps are off by six or seven minutes. That's foolish. Nothing Bowley says should lead anyone to conclude that the timestamps are off by that much.
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: Bill Brown on April 16, 2026, 07:19:55 PM ---
Or Bowley picked up his daughter at 1:03 and arrived on the scene at 1:16.
It seems you certainly believe the timestamps are off by six or seven minutes. That's foolish. Nothing Bowley says should lead anyone to conclude that the timestamps are off by that much.
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Or Bowley picked up his daughter at 1:03 and arrived on the scene at 1:16.
Isn't it fun to speculate? Are you a parent? Do you really think a father would not be at the school when the bell rings?
It seems you certainly believe the timestamps are off by six or seven minutes. That's foolish.
Bowles said the timestamps could be off by two minutes or so, but in a busy period the clocks were often not reset, which means they could go even further off than two minutes. And that's only compared to the master clock in the room, which in turn could be off to the City Hall clock and even that one only showed "official" time.
Nothing Bowley says should lead anyone to conclude that the timestamps are off by that much.
Was it Bowley or Bowles? I don't think Bowley ever said a word about the timestamps on the DPD radio.
Bill Brown:
"In addition to the times stamped on calls by telephone operators, the radio operators stamped the "time" as calls were dispatched, and the "time" that officers completed an assignment and returned to service. Radio operators were also furnished with 12-hour digital clocks to facilitate their time references when they were not using call sheets containing stamped time. These digital clocks were not synchronized with any time standard. Therefore, the time "actual" and time "broadcast" could easily be a minute or so apart." -- J.C. Bowles
For some unknown reason (wait, I do know the reason after all), you keep wanting to stretch this "minute or so apart" to mean six or seven minutes.
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: Bill Brown on April 16, 2026, 07:41:30 PM ---"In addition to the times stamped on calls by telephone operators, the radio operators stamped the "time" as calls were dispatched, and the "time" that officers completed an assignment and returned to service. Radio operators were also furnished with 12-hour digital clocks to facilitate their time references when they were not using call sheets containing stamped time. These digital clocks were not synchronized with any time standard. Therefore, the time "actual" and time "broadcast" could easily be a minute or so apart." -- J.C. Bowles
For some unknown reason (wait, I do know the reason after all), you keep wanting to stretch this "minute or so apart" to mean six or seven minutes.
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No, for some reason you are unwilling to accept that between the City Hall clock's "official" time and the timestamps there are three different clocks involved which all could easily be two minutes off compared to eachother.
Now, let's get back to Roberts. Are you going to tell me why she is such a special witness?
Bill Brown:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on April 16, 2026, 07:49:28 PM ---No, for some reason you are unwilling to accept that between the City Hall clock's "official" time and the timestamps there are three different clocks involved which all could easily be two minutes off compared to eachother.
Now, let's get back to Roberts. Are you going to tell me why she is such a special witness?
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--- Quote ---No, for some reason you are unwilling to accept that between the City Hall clock's "official" time and the timestamps there are three different clocks involved which all could easily be two minutes off compared to eachother.
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So two minutes for "this" clock, plus two minutes for "that" clock, plus two minutes for the "other" clock means the timestamps are off by six minutes. Got it.
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