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Tippit Myth
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on March 11, 2026, 09:15:54 PM ---I'm not making any assumptions regarding the timing.
Of course you are. You wrote;
What conclusive evidence do you have that the Hertz clock was absolutely correct and that the verbal time stamps on the DPD recordings provide actual real time, when James Bowles, the man in charge of the dispatchers, clearly states that (and I paraphraze) there were discrepancies and the time stamps called out did not reflect real time?
Once again, my beliefs do not depend on the accuracy of any time keeping device. It is widely accepted that 12:30 was the time of the first shot but even if it was actually 12:29 or 12:31, it does nothing to invalidate the conclusion that Oswald fired the shots that killed JFK and severely wounded JBC and in 62 years, no one has produced a scrap of credible evidence that he had even a single accomplice in his crime. My beliefs are based on the forensic evidence: ballistics, fingerprints, fiber evidence, paper trails, photographic evidence, medical evidence, etc. Taken as a whole, this evidence leaves no doubt Oswald was the assassin and much as they have tried for the past 62 years, the conspiracy hobbyists have done nothing that invalidates that conclusion.
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Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on March 12, 2026, 06:20:28 PM ---
Once again, my beliefs do not depend on the accuracy of any time keeping device. It is widely accepted that 12:30 was the time of the first shot but even if it was actually 12:29 or 12:31, it does nothing to invalidate the conclusion that Oswald fired the shots that killed JFK and severely wounded JBC and in 62 years, no one has produced a scrap of credible evidence that he had even a single accomplice in his crime. My beliefs are based on the forensic evidence: ballistics, fingerprints, fiber evidence, paper trails, photographic evidence, medical evidence, etc. Taken as a whole, this evidence leaves no doubt Oswald was the assassin and much as they have tried for the past 62 years, the conspiracy hobbyists have done nothing that invalidates that conclusion.
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Once again, my beliefs do not depend on the accuracy of any time keeping device.
I never said that your beliefs depend on the accuracy of time keeping devices. I said that you are making assumptions regarding the timing.
It is widely accepted that 12:30 was the time of the first shot but even if it was actually 12:29 or 12:31,
Widely accepted by whom? All I asked you is what evidence you have that the Hertz clock was absolutely correct! You clearly have none!
"Widely accepted" is nothing more than a belief or theory! But I agree, it doesn't really matter all that much if the Hertz clock was of by a minute or so. What does matter is being precise about a belief that you claim to be a "fact".
it does nothing to invalidate the conclusion that Oswald fired the shots that killed JFK and severely wounded JBC
I never said it invalidates anything. It doesn't have to... the "conclusion" that Oswald fired the shots is nothing more than another belief for which there is no conclusive supporting evidence.
In 62 years nobody has ever been able to place Oswald in the sniper's nest when the shots were fired beyond speculation, assumptions and a rush to judgement.
But let's get back to the timing matter, shall we? Your diversions aren't working! You said;
--- Quote ---We know he shot JFK at 12:30 because that is the time showing on the Hertz clock above the TSBD. The next accurate time stamp was when a citizen used Tippit's radio to report the shooting of Tippit.
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Now you say; "even if it was actually 12:29 or 12:31", which clearly indicates that you were not as sure as you pretended to be. Even more telling is that you have stayed well clear of any of my questions relating to the Tippit shooting. My question about what James Bowles said about the time stamps on the DPD recordings was apparently too problematic for you to come up with a plausible answer, but don't worry; it's common for LNs to run as soon as a critical question is asked.
My beliefs are based on the forensic evidence: ballistics, fingerprints, fiber evidence, paper trails, photographic evidence, medical evidence, etc.
Wow, that really sounds impressive if it wasn't for the fact that it's still merely your belief. At best, this entire case is highly circumstantial and different people will come to different opinions based upon the same evidence. In circumstantial cases innocent people get convicted and guilty people walk free. So, what makes your belief the right one?
Tommy Shanks:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on March 12, 2026, 07:17:18 PM ---So, what makes your belief the right one?
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How about the fact that multiple expert panels have examined the evidence and overwhelmingly concluded that Oswald was the lone assassin?
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: Tommy Shanks on March 12, 2026, 09:22:14 PM ---How about the fact that multiple expert panels have examined the evidence and overwhelmingly concluded that Oswald was the lone assassin?
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Oh boy, there is the appeal to authority. You do understand that's a fallacy, right?
Please tell me which ones of those panels were unbiased and independent?
And here's something for you to consider; The Warren Commission provided the evidence which was subsequently examined over and over again.
Isn't it a fool's errand to examine the same information and expect a different outcome?
Name me one truly independent investigation which looked beyond the evidence of the prosecution and looked for evidence that should have been there but wasn't! I bet you can't
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on March 12, 2026, 09:30:30 PM ---Oh boy, there is the appeal to authority. You do understand that's a fallacy, right?
Please tell me which ones of those panels were unbiased and independent?
And here's something for you to consider; The Warren Commission provided the evidence which was subsequently examined over and over again.
Isn't it a fool's errand to examine the same information and expect a different outcome?
Name me one truly independent investigation which looked beyond the evidence of the prosecution and looked for evidence that should have been there but wasn't! I bet you can't
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Dear Marty,
Regarding the JFKA (the Tippit shooting included), how many evil, evil Deep State bad guys do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the patsy-ing, the planting of evidence, the shooting, the getting away, the altering of all of the photos, films, and X-rays, and the all-important (and evidently ongoing!) cover up?
Oodles and gobs, or just a few?
-- Tom
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