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« Reply #56 on: Yesterday at 11:35:47 PM »
If a person gives testimony that is demonstrably incorrect, they could simply be wrong or they could be lying. Perjury is when you give testimony that you know to me wrong and it is a serious crime. Most people when testifying under oath are going to try to give accurate accounts to the best of their ability. Human beings are fallible and don't always remember things exactly the way they happened. I have no reason to believe Witt deliberately falsified his testimony. I believe he testified to the event as best he remembered it. If it doesn't square with the film record, it doesn't prove he committed perjury. It means he had less than perfect memory which is true for all of us.

   If you were an adult and inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63, you would remember whether you were walking toward Elm St and fighting to open your umbrella vs standing stock still and pumping your umbrella as JFK cruised by you. I don't believe this is an unreasonable expectation. I've watched his HSCA Testimony a couple of times. He seemed perfectly normal. Not a basket case or anything along those lines 15 yrs later. Witt ID'd himself as being the Umbrella Man. Nobody else has ID'd Witt as being the Umbrella Man. Nobody. 

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« Reply #57 on: Today at 01:38:14 AM »
   If you were an adult and inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63, you would remember whether you were walking toward Elm St and fighting to open your umbrella vs standing stock still and pumping your umbrella as JFK cruised by you. I don't believe this is an unreasonable expectation. I've watched his HSCA Testimony a couple of times. He seemed perfectly normal. Not a basket case or anything along those lines 15 yrs later. Witt ID'd himself as being the Umbrella Man. Nobody else has ID'd Witt as being the Umbrella Man. Nobody.

15 years after the fact and you expect a guy to remember every detail exactly like it happened? Unbelievable.

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« Reply #58 on: Today at 07:18:53 AM »
   Thanks for being man enough to simply ask this question. Witt testified that he was sitting on the knoll when the JFK Limo surprised him as it came down Elm St. He jumped up and began moving straight toward Elm St as he simultaneously struggled to open his umbrella. He claimed by the time he looked up from his struggling with the umbrella, that the JFK Limo had already traveled passed by him. None of this is on the Bronson Film. The Bronson film shows Witt standing stock still with the JFK Limo not yet having reached him. Witt did positively ID himself on the photo showing Witt seated on the retaining wall with The Cuban. The Bronson film had not become  public at the time of the Witt HSCA testimony. The Zapruder Film also shows the Umbrella being fully open and pumped as the JFK Limo passed by the Umbrella Man.
The best quality version of the Bronson film is at the SFM website:

https://www.jfk.org/collections-archive/bronson-film-8mm-2/

From this, by the time Bronson is filming the limo rolling down Elm, it has indeed already passed TUM, just as Witt said.

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« Reply #59 on: Today at 10:42:20 AM »
The best quality version of the Bronson film is at the SFM website:

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« Reply #60 on: Today at 02:10:47 PM »
15 years after the fact and you expect a guy to remember every detail exactly like it happened? Unbelievable.

     This is not a failure to remember "every detail" 15 yrs later. There is a stark contrast between what Witt Testified to, vs the Image Evidence recovered after his HSCA Testimony.  At the time, Witt knew there was no image evidence to discredit his story. He had been deposed just like every WC witness was prior to their Q/A. This is what led to Witt proffering the prop umbrella. So he lied. You have a blatant bias. This taints your opinions/observations.

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« Reply #61 on: Today at 05:13:36 PM »
     This is not a failure to remember "every detail" 15 yrs later. There is a stark contrast between what Witt Testified to, vs the Image Evidence recovered after his HSCA Testimony.  At the time, Witt knew there was no image evidence to discredit his story. He had been deposed just like every WC witness was prior to their Q/A. This is what led to Witt proffering the prop umbrella. So he lied. You have a blatant bias. This taints your opinions/observations.

I have to admit, I am biased. I have bias toward believing things that are supported by actual evidence as opposed to suppositions which is your preferred MO. It is absurd to think that Witt should have remembered every minute detail about his actions and the sequence in which they occurred 15 years after the fact. I can't think of any event in my life that I could have recalled with absolutely clarity and accuracy 15 years later. Why would you demand such clarity from Witt. I guess when you don't have any real evidence to support your silly beliefs you are forced to make mole hills out of ant hills.

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« Reply #62 on: Today at 06:02:52 PM »
I have to admit, I am biased. I have bias toward believing things that are supported by actual evidence as opposed to suppositions which is your preferred MO. It is absurd to think that Witt should have remembered every minute detail about his actions and the sequence in which they occurred 15 years after the fact. I can't think of any event in my life that I could have recalled with absolutely clarity and accuracy 15 years later. Why would you demand such clarity from Witt. I guess when you don't have any real evidence to support your silly beliefs you are forced to make mole hills out of ant hills.

   Will you STOP with the "minute" routine? People do not believe it is a "minute detail" to remember: (1) STANDING like a statue, (2) DIRECTLY looking at the POTUS, and (3) HECKLING him by pumping an umbrella. Any of us going out of our way to do ALL of this would remember it. 

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« Reply #63 on: Today at 08:44:59 PM »
   Will you STOP with the "minute" routine? People do not believe it is a "minute detail" to remember: (1) STANDING like a statue, (2) DIRECTLY looking at the POTUS, and (3) HECKLING him by pumping an umbrella. Any of us going out of our way to do ALL of this would remember it.

Keep trying to convince yourself of that.