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Gunman in the pergola window...
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Mitch Todd on April 01, 2026, 05:59:33 AM ---RS: Witt said by the time he got the umbrella open, the JFK Limo had passed by him. That's pure BS
The Bronson film shows that TUM is standing about where the retaining wall would be, with his umbrella up and open, while the limousine has indeed already passed him by. Did you not look at the still I posted?
There is simply NO WAY the Witt WC Testimony is "perfectly consistent" with his testimony.
1.) There is no "Witt WC testimony." He didn't testify about the assassination until the late 1970s.
2.)Adjusting for that, your sentence says, in effect, "There's NO WAY that Witt's testimony is perfectly consistent with Witt's testimony." Since there is only one "Witt's testimony" it would indeed be perfectly consistent with itself, just as a=a in all cases.
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Are you claiming that Witt was standing on: (1) the grass, or, (2) the retaining wall? Both the grass and the retaining wall are incorrect. He stood on the very wide sidewalk.
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on April 01, 2026, 01:50:02 PM --- Are you claiming that Witt was standing on: (1) the grass, or, (2) the retaining wall? Both the grass and the retaining wall are incorrect. He stood on the very wide sidewalk.
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I already answered these questions in Reply #107, a few replies above: "Looks to me like he's on a dirty of the lawn next to the edge of the sidewalk."
I also helpfully noted that your placement of TUM on the sidewalk only hurts your contentions:
"However, even if we were to assume for the sake of argument that TUM is indeed on the sidewalk, it's still fatal to your argument. Witt testified that he was on the grass when he saw the motorcade start down Elm. He said he started walking towards the street while trying to open the umbrella. He had trouble opening the umbrella but "continued to move forward and finally got this umbrella up in the air" with the sequence ending "I think by the time I got the thing up in the air I was over and possibly standing on the retaining wall." There is a low retaining wall at the edge of the Elm St sidewalk, so his testimony is perfectly consistent with your interpretation of the Bronson film"
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Mitch Todd on April 03, 2026, 03:54:24 AM ---I already answered these questions in Reply #107, a few replies above: "Looks to me like he's on a dirty of the lawn next to the edge of the sidewalk."
I also helpfully noted that your placement of TUM on the sidewalk only hurts your contentions:
"However, even if we were to assume for the sake of argument that TUM is indeed on the sidewalk, it's still fatal to your argument. Witt testified that he was on the grass when he saw the motorcade start down Elm. He said he started walking towards the street while trying to open the umbrella. He had trouble opening the umbrella but "continued to move forward and finally got this umbrella up in the air" with the sequence ending "I think by the time I got the thing up in the air I was over and possibly standing on the retaining wall." There is a low retaining wall at the edge of the Elm St sidewalk, so his testimony is perfectly consistent with your interpretation of the Bronson film"
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It appears to me at the time this photo was taken, TUM was standing on the far edge of the sidewalk. TUM's leg shadow is being cast on the lawns concrete edge.
This photo taken relatively not long after, shows a cameraman on the sidewalk and by the angle of the shadow we can see that TUM was only inches away from the concrete edge.
BTW, if TUM was part of the conspiracy and was either waving his umbrella or firing a poison dart, there is no way he would hang around and let himself be photographed.
JohnM
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on April 03, 2026, 04:56:30 AM ---It appears to me at the time this photo was taken, TUM was standing on the far edge of the sidewalk. TUM's leg shadow is being cast on the lawns concrete edge.
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Actually, in your enlargement, it looks like TUM is stepping over the retaining wall, with one foot still on the grass and one on the sidewalk.
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Mitch Todd on April 03, 2026, 05:54:35 AM ---Actually, in your enlargement, it looks like TUM is stepping over the retaining wall, with one foot still on the grass and one on the sidewalk.
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I was wondering why the shadow wasn't joining up with the bottom of his leg, but it makes sense that TUM is stepping off the retaining wall and his right leg in this image was captured just before it touched the sidewalk?
JohnM
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