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Questions for our resident forensic graphic artist, James Hackerott
James Hackerott:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on March 02, 2026, 09:57:17 AM ---Dear James,
On 3 November 2025, you posted the following on page 14 of Storing's "Coupla Guys" thread:
While recently [watching a movie] I saw what looks like a possible fit for the Nat Geo “island” car [a 1958 Pontiac Bonneville]. The 1959 Ford Fairlane Galaxy 500 has a body length of 17.5’. I modeled my highly acclaimed “Lego Car” with a 17.5’ length and positioned it in my 3D model using a Robert Hughes frame of the doorway that shows the nose of the car. When viewing from a Wiegman position it is obvious the 17.5’ length extends about 5-6’ to the west [i.e., to the left] of the black suited man [“Fedora Man”]. This is what Royell has stated in his postings. I had to shorten the test car to just under 12’ length to completely mask it with the black suit guy [“Fedora Man”].
Questions and points of disagreement:
1) Since we can see only about two feet of the rear part of Storing’s 17.5-foot 1958 Pontiac Bonneville “Getaway Car” to the left of "Fedora Man" in Wiegman, I’m afraid your measurements are a bit off.
Most of the car is blocked by the spectators. Only the cab area and a bit of the rear end is visible in Wiegman's view. The spec height for a 1958 Pontiac Bonneville is ~55”. With a 9” curb the car appears to be about 46” to the camera-easily blocked by the adults. I think a view of the tail end is visible just to “Purse Woman”'s right arm.
2) In Wiegman, the aforementioned two feet of Storing's 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Getaway Car" overlap the front(?) half(?) of a light-colored car parked on the other side of Elm Street Extension, fooling Storing and perhaps others into believing they're seeing one car (a mutant car parked across Elm Street Extension) instead of two (a composite comprised of the car across Elm Street Extension and Storing's overlapping 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Getaway Car" parked next to the "island").
The photo evidence does not support either scenario.
3) Question: Could that light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension in Wiegman be the light-colored car we can just barely catch a glimpse of directly above the shoulder of the bending-over man at 8:55 in the National Geographic documentary? (Hint: You've gotta go "click-click, click-click" really fast to find it.)
No cars parked along the north curb in front of the TSBD are possibly visible through the “Gap” in the reference Wiegman frame I'm using for modeling.
4) Given that Storing’s 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Getaway Car" is visually overlapping the front 3/4 of the light-colored Ford Fairlane 500 on the other side of Elm Street Extension in the William Allen photo on page 28 of the "Coupla Guys" thread (which photo was taken from a different angle than Wiegman and shows a burly policeman watching the Three Tramps walk past him), it’s ironic that you chose a light-colored 1959 Ford Fairlane 500 to "stand in" for Storing’s 1958 Pontiac Bonneville in your model of the Wiegman scene, thereby probably confusing oodles and gobs of people, myself included.
Hmm. Just a little ESP maybe? These graphics show that a 1958 Pontiac Bonneville is parked, just where we see it in Wiegman, Darnell, Hughes and Alyea films.
-- Tom
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Note: Duncan is allowing posting Imgur images as long as I also post a link with a Google Drive for those who can't see the embedded graphics. Thanks Duncan!
The first animated GIF shows a 17.5' 1968 Pontiac Bonneville located on the Elm Extension at about 12:53. Tom Alyea's film taken from the 7th floor, basically 30' above Elsie Dorman's location, shows the front end about 2' west of the lamppost shadow. I'm displaying the views of both Alyea and Wiegman as the position of the car is moved eastward 10' in 1' increments. The car moves about 8' before the taillights are viewable in the Wiegman “Gap”. The initial position is also consistent with the Robert Hughes film of the TSBD doorway taken shortly after the assassination.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tY_vsj_xSjVI4Gz2lr4YQWfyPCxQrfHL/view?usp=drive_link
A second graphic shows the view from the Wiegman film through the open area “Gap” between the “Fedora Man” and the woman to his right. It was alleged that the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville (Getaway Car) we see in the Wiegman film is not parked on the south side of the extension (nearest to the camera) but is actually a car parked on the north side of the extension-near the Huge Gates. This graphic compares these two scenarios. The north curb car is actually parked just west of the TSBD's west corner. It is partially blocking motorized egress through the gates. I say the car is parked at the south curb nearest the “Fedora Man”. You make the call for yourself.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1swc2Q_86arxdKyaKdMOWme1ZgXqIwnjW/view?usp=drive_link
James
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: James Hackerott on March 15, 2026, 01:13:32 AM ---[The following] graphic shows the view from the Wiegman film through the open area “Gap” between the “Fedora Man” and the woman to his right. It was alleged that the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville (Getaway Car) we see in the Wiegman film is not parked on the south side of the extension (nearest to the camera) but is actually a car parked on the north side of the extension-near the Huge Gates. This graphic compares these two scenarios. The north curb car is actually parked just west of the TSBD's west corner. It is partially blocking motorized egress through the gates. I say the car is parked at the south curb nearest the “Fedora Man”. You make the call for yourself.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1swc2Q_86arxdKyaKdMOWme1ZgXqIwnjW/view?usp=drive_link
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If I understand what you're saying, I agree with you that between "Purse Lady" and "Fedora Man" in Wiegman we can see that the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville is parked next to the "island."
What you don't seem to realize is that it's visually overlapping the front one-third or so of a light-colored car that's parked-the-wrong-way on the other side of Elm Street Extension in that gap between "Purse lady" and "Fedora Man," making them almost look like one car.
James Hackerott:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on March 15, 2026, 01:33:29 AM ---If I understand what you're saying, I agree with you that between "Purse Lady" and "Fedora Man" in Wiegman we can see that the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville is parked next to the "island."
What you don't seem to realize is that it's visually overlapping the front one-third or so of a light-colored car that's parked-the-wrong-way on the other side of Elm Street Extension in that gap between "Purse lady" and "Fedora Man," making them almost look like one car.
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Thomas,
Is this something like you are seeing? How should I position the Huge Gates car? Should I put the S curb car on blocks?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nNl5q1QI_KXwykynuqmvp5JdlM1BreNQ/view?usp=drive_link
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: James Hackerott on March 15, 2026, 02:50:01 AM ---[...]
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Regarding the visible part of your "single car" between "Purse Lady" and "Fedora Man" at the 1:47 mark in Weigman, why is its "lower" front part "two-tone" color-wise but the rear part monochrome, why does the "lower" front part have two parallel and nearly horizontal dark lines about two feet apart whereas the rear part doesn't, and why does the top edge of dark color of the front part taper off in the middle of your "single car" the way it does?
Shadows from the oak tree?
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3xR0WBPo8I
James Hackerott:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on March 15, 2026, 03:07:25 AM ---Regarding the visible part of your "single car" between "Purse Lady" and "Fedora Man" at the 1:47 mark in Weigman, why is its "lower" front part "two-tone" color-wise but the rear part monochrome, why does the "lower" front part have two parallel and nearly horizontal dark lines about two feet apart whereas the rear part doesn't, and why does the top edge of dark color of the front part taper off in the middle of your "single car" the way it does?
Shadows from the oak tree?
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3xR0WBPo8I
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Yes, shadows from the Giant Live Oak tree. I think, but am not really sure I understand your description. Look at the visual in post #5. See the image from Alyea. Look close at the “Getaway Car”. See those grayish smears all over the car? Those are shadows. Look at the Robert Hughes film where he shoots over the hood towards the TSBD doorway. The car is covered with shadow. What is a little strange about this Hughes frame is the color of the car is kinda a bluish-green. But so is Sawyers' car. Must be color response of the film in the shade. IDK.
James
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