What do we see to the left of "Fedora Man on the Island" in the Wiegman clip?

[Tom Graves]

What do we see behind-and-to-the-immediate left of "Fedora Man on the Island" in the Wiegman clip?

1) Only Sonderführer Storing's 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Abandoned Getaway Car" parked next to the "Island," or

2) A combination of the rear part of Sonderführer Storing's 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Abandoned Getaway Car" parked next to the "Island" and another light-colored car behind it on the other side of Elm Street Extension, or

3) Just some rando car other than Sonderführer Storing's 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Abandoned Getaway Car," or

4) [fill in the blank]?




 

[James Hackerott]

What do we see behind-and-to-the-immediate left of "Fedora Man on the Island" in the Wiegman clip?

1) Only Sonderführer Storing's 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Abandoned Getaway Car" parked next to the "Island," or

2) A combination of the rear part of Sonderführer Storing's 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Abandoned Getaway Car" parked next to the "Island" and another light-colored car behind it on the other side of Elm Street Extension, or

3) Just some rando car other than Sonderführer Storing's 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Abandoned Getaway Car," or

4) [fill in the blank]?

Number 1. The GAP shows shadow from the nearby Live Oak. It appears below the front starboard passenger window.

[Royell Storing]

Number 1. The GAP shows shadow from the nearby Live Oak. It appears below the front starboard passenger window.

   James - I understand the limitations you are operating under with respect to the above visual aid. Still, the traffic signal and that Wishbone Signage are NOT In Line with each other. And, ALL of those women are Not standing atop the Island. Some of those women were standing in the street. You have the curb stretching way too far out into Elm St.

[Charles Collins]

In the Darnell clip, taken at a very similar angle and only seconds later, it appears that a police officer runs down the middle of the Elm Street Extension. Here are a couple of frames that seem to me to show that officer (blue arrow) is in front of the roofline (yellow arrow) of a car parked on the TSBD side of the street. As seems to be typical of these exercises there is a fly in the ointment (lady in light colored scarf) muddying up the view. But I think these two frames might show what I am submitting.








I believe that if James’ image were to be the case (the roofline we see is on a car on the island side of the Elm Street Extension) then the police officer would be partially hidden behind that roofline.




If anyone can do better with the Darnell clip frames, please do and show us the results.

[Steve Barber]

Does this photo help at all? 

[Charles Collins]

Does this photo help at all? 

Yes Steve, thanks! For people who are able to think in terms of 3D space when viewing a 2D image, it should be apparent that if the camera were to be positioned over to the camera right and closer to the angles of the Weigman and Darnell films, such that the traffic light pole and the streetlight pole are lined up with each other, that the front right wheel of the car would appear to be to the right of those poles. I think most any photos that show this vehicle would help.

[Royell Storing]

Does this photo help at all? 

   Steve - Thanks for posting this photo. The car we see on the Bottom (L),  parked on the TSBD side of the Elm St Extension, is the same car that is mistakenly being cited as a car parked alongside the Island. And this includes the (L) rear tail light of this same car being mistakenly "bulls-eye'd" as being attached to a car parked alongside the Island. This photo, along with the National Geographic "Manhunt" film footage showing this same car from the rear, makes clear what we are seeing on the Wiegman Film. We are seeing a parked car on the TSBD side of the Elm St Ext.

[Steve Barber]

Yes Steve, thanks! For people who are able to think in terms of 3D space when viewing a 2D image, it should be apparent that if the camera were to be positioned over to the camera right and closer to the angles of the Weigman and Darnell films, such that the traffic light pole and the streetlight pole are lined up with each other, that the front right wheel of the car would appear to be to the right of those poles. I think most any photos that show this vehicle would help.

  You're welcome, Charles.  Glad I could add some help.

 So, the car in the photo (which I have added a red arrow pointing to) is the car in question, and Royell is stating that it is parked against the northernmost curb directly in front of the TSBD-not against the curb that forms the peninsula where the traffic light, lamp post, and highway signs are situated?