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What do we see to the left of "Fedora Man on the Island" in the Wiegman clip?
Charles Collins:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on February 26, 2026, 09:16:26 PM --- I mentioned earlier that the Elm St Curb/Sidewalk does NOT extend that far toward the TSBD in a straight line. It CURVES around to the Elm St Extension. That straight line curb/sidewalk depiction is just wrong. And with the hooking curb comes the hooking sidewalk too. Look again at the Wiegman still frame. Fedora Man and Purse Woman are standing where the curb hooks around onto the Elm St Ext. You can easily see the curvature of the curb at Fedora Man's feet on this same Wiegman still frame. This is why some of those women are standing in the street vs standing on the elevated Island to watch the motorcade. There is simply no room for them to stand atop the Island near the Traffic Signal Pole. Officer Baker also showed us the narrowness of this area when he ran across that skinny portion of the Island with the "getaway" car on his (L). The narrowness of this area is exactly why some people refer to it as a "Peninsula" instead of an "Island". James's Lego Man/Fedora Man replication of that area is way off.
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Frankly, I got in an hurry adding the sketched yellow line to James Hackerott’s image and inadvertently shortchanged the eastern most part of the “hook” of the island by 2 or 3 feet. It actually extends a little further east than my sketch shows which was already described as “rough outline”. Here’s the shortchanged sketch again and two images from Wiegman’s film one with and one without the added yellow outline.
As we can see in the above two Weigman film images, the actual easternmost point of the island “hook” lines up with the second brick column east of the gated opening. I was not far enough east with my initial rough sketch.
Charles Collins:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on February 26, 2026, 09:51:42 PM ---Is it fair to say that Wiegman was approximately where the two "foreground" policemen with their backs to the camera at the far right of this photo are when he filmed the frames around the 1:46 mark of the frame-by-frame Wiegman film I linked, above, or was he somewhere between where that policeman is standing and where this cameraman took this photo from?
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I think that the area of the two white hat officers is reasonably close. James Hackerott indicated the exact location in a response to me earlier in this thread. Going by memory only, it was something like 3’ north and 13’ east of Tina Towner’s filming position on the southwestern corner of the intersection. You can go back and check James’ posts if you want to confirm the exact position.
Duncan MacRae:
--- Quote from: James Hackerott on February 25, 2026, 08:47:49 PM ---Number 1. The GAP shows shadow from the nearby Live Oak. It appears below the front starboard passenger window.
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Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Charles Collins on February 26, 2026, 09:53:31 PM ---
Frankly, I got in an hurry adding the sketched yellow line to James Hackerott’s image and inadvertently shortchanged the eastern most part of the “hook” of the island by 2 or 3 feet. It actually extends a little further east than my sketch shows which was already described as “rough outline”. Here’s the shortchanged sketch again and two images from Wiegman’s film one with and one without the added yellow outline.
As we can see in the above two Weigman film images, the actual easternmost point of the island “hook” lines up with the second brick column east of the gated opening. I was not far enough east with my initial rough sketch.
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The point is, there is little open space behind Fedora Man and Purse Woman. People want to claim that we are seeing the Island behind both of them on the Wiegman still frames. That is not true. We are seeing the surface street. This is exactly why those women are standing in the street. There is not room for them where the curb/sidewalk wraps around the corner. And Fedora Man and Purse Woman are literally toeing that curvature.
Charles Collins:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on February 26, 2026, 10:12:22 PM --- The point is, there is little open space behind Fedora Man and Purse Woman. People want to claim that we are seeing the Island behind both of them on the Wiegman still frames. That is not true. We are seeing the surface street. This is exactly why those women are standing in the street. There is not room for them where the curb/sidewalk wraps around the corner. And Fedora Man and Purse Woman are literally toeing that curvature.
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There is roughly about 24-feet of island surface visible between fedora man and purse woman. There is roughly about 24-feet of island surface visible between the island’s Elm Street curb and the island’s Elm Street Extension curb on Weigman’s line of sight that runs between fedora man and purse lady.”
The line of sight is at such an angle that I will show a rough idea in the following images.
The image below shows the line of sight with fedora man inline with the gated opening behind him. The black arrows are meant to show the space between the island’s Elm Street Curb and the island’s Elm Street Extension curb at this line of sight.
The images below are from the Roberdeau map. The first one shows the (red) line of sight with (red) cross hatches indicating the two curbs referenced above. The (black arrows) distance between the two curbs is roughly 24-feet at this specific line of sight.
The image below is the scale of the map that I used to approximate the distance.
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