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Another sign that interest in the JFK assassination is waning
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on February 26, 2026, 01:51:45 AM ---Harold Norman heard 3 shots fired in about 4 seconds per his camera recorded interview “boom click click” recollection and when Norman appeared as a witness at the Buglio v Spence Mock trial, the boom click click sequence was completed in about 4 secs also.
Norman said that he heard the 1st shot fired and saw JFK “ slump” and only after that slump did Norman hear the next 2 shots.
So that cannot possibly be a 1st shot fired at Z124 as there is no such slumping forward or leaning left by JFK until Z227 approx just after being hit in the back at about Z223( the SBT) which is the 1st shot which was heard by both Betzner and Willis which shot was surely after Z186 and in the approx time of Z223 only 0.5 sec after Willis clicked his camera at Z205 approx.
The only way Tom’s 10.2 sec spread could be reconciled with Harold Normans 3 shots in 4 sec description is if there were 4 shots fired of which an early 1st Z124 shot was not heard by Norman for some reason.
What’s really messed up is famous Amos Euins having WC testimony that he heard 4 shots fired! 🙄
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So we got this "boom click click" timing sequence for 3 shots fired. But we also have the widely parroted Max Holland "early shot" nonsense. Remember? Holland claims that Oswald was standing straight up to fire Shot #1, Oswald then sits down on a card board box, reacquires the target, and fires Shots #2 and #3. And ALL of this is happening while firing a Bolt Action rifle. Both the "boom click click" and "Holland's Hoax" can NOT Be True at the same time. Which stays and which goes?
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on February 26, 2026, 02:32:28 PM ---Max Holland claims that Oswald was standing straight up to fire Shot #1, and that he then sat down on a box of books, reacquired the target, and fired Shots #2 and #3.
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Do try to get your facts straight, won't you?
Holland says:
1) Oswald was standing in a semicrouch and awkwardly leaning forward for his first, missing-everything shot at hypothetical "Z-107," 1.5 seconds before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.
2) Oswald did not sit on a box while firing shots 2 and 3 but knelt behind the stack of boxes at the window.
3) Oswald took 11.25 seconds to fire all three shots and therefore had plenty of time to "reacquire his target" after kneeling down.
I think Holland is correct in saying the first shot was fired before Zapruder resumed filming, but I believe Oswald fired it a little bit later, at hypothetical "Z-124," instead, as indicated by Roselle's and Scearce's 2020 study on the voluntary / conscious reaction times of seven prime witnesses (including JFK, Jackie, JBC, and Nellie) to the unexpected sounds of the first shot.
Do try to get your facts straight in the future, won't you, Sonderführer Storing?
-- Tom
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on February 26, 2026, 04:55:25 PM ---
Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Do try to get your facts straight, won't you?
Holland says:
1) Oswald was standing in a semicrouch and awkwardly leaning forward for his first, missing-everything shot at hypothetical "Z-107," 1.5 seconds before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.
2) Oswald did not sit on a box while firing shots 2 and 3 but knelt behind the stack of boxes at the window.
3) Oswald took 11.25 seconds to fire all three shots and therefore had plenty of time to "reacquire his target" after kneeling down.
I think Holland is correct in saying the first shot was fired before Zapruder resumed filming, but I believe Oswald fired it a little bit later, at hypothetical "Z-124," instead, as indicated by Roselle's and Scearce's 2020 study on the voluntary / conscious reaction times of seven prime witnesses (including JFK, Jackie, JBC, and Nellie) to the unexpected sounds of the first shot.
Do try to get your facts straight in the future, won't you, Sonderführer Storing?
-- Tom
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Do yourself a favor and watch Holland's "The Lost Bullet" National Geographic presentation. This will give you a detailed visual aid with respect to Holland's theory.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on February 26, 2026, 05:21:48 PM ---Do yourself a favor and watch Holland's "The Lost Bullet" National Geographic presentation. This will give you a detailed visual aid with respect to Holland's theory.
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
I already have, about five times.
Holland doesn't have former Marine sharpshooter Oswald standing straight up while firing his first, missing-everything shot at hypothetical "Z-107," and he doesn't have him sitting on a box while firing shots two and three.
D'oh!
Do try to get your facts straight in the future, won't you, Sonderführer Storing?
-- Tom
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on February 26, 2026, 10:49:20 PM ---Dear Sonderführer Storing,
I already have, about five times.
Holland doesn't have former Marine sharpshooter Oswald standing straight up while firing his first, missing-everything shot at hypothetical "Z-107," and he doesn't have him sitting on a box while firing shots two and three.
D'oh!
Do try to get your facts straight in the future, won't you, Sonderführer Storing?
-- Tom
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So you wanna horse around with the sharp shooter dodge? What about the SS Agent Howlett that Max is wheeling around and even has him on the lift eyeballing the signal light support beam with him? That agent physically details the shooter standing/sitting position as well as the box he sat on leaving print(s). I don't mind helping you, but if you are going to try and get slippery with me, well, that goes to character. I don't have the time to mess around with anyone lacking in character. I search for the Whole Truth.
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