AI, CIA and "Contract Source"

[Fred Litwin]

Benjamin: I guess the CIA has better things to do.

Yes, the segregated collection is online and you can search for yourself.

No one has ever found substantiation in any underlying document. And no one has come up with a CIA document that uses the term "contract source."

As I  said in my blog post, Paul Hoch found another error in that document, and the CIA has not commented on that either.

fred

[Michael Capasse]

WC Executive Session | Jan. 27, 1964

Rep. Boggs. So I will ask you. Did you have agents about whom you had no record whatsoever?

Mr. Dulles. The record might not be on paper. But on paper would have hieroglyphics that only two
people knew what they meant, and nobody outside the agency else could say it meant another agent.

Rep. Boggs. Let's take a specific case, that fellow Powers was one of your men.
Mr. Dulles. Oh, yes, he was not an agent. He was an employee.

Rep. Boggs. There was no problem in proving he was employed by the CIA.
Mr. Dulles. No. We had a signed contract.

Rep. Boggs. Let's say Powers did not have a signed contract but he was recruited by someone in CIA.
The man who recruited him would know, wouldn't he?

Mr. Dulles. Yes, but he wouldn't tell.

The Chairman. Wouldn't tell it under oath?
Mr. Dulles. I wouldn't think he would tell it under oath, no.

The Chairman. Why?
Mr. Dulles. He ought not tell it under oath. Maybe not tell it to his own government but he wouldn't tell it any other way.

Mr. McCloy. Wouldn't tell it to his own chief?
Mr. Dulles. He might or might not. If he was a bad one then he wouldn't.

[Tom Graves]

WC Executive Session | Jan. 27, 1964

Rep. Boggs. So I will ask you. Did you have agents about whom you had no record whatsoever?

Mr. Dulles. The record might not be on paper. But on paper would have hieroglyphics that only two
people knew what they meant, and nobody outside the agency else could say it meant another agent.

Rep. Boggs. Let's take a specific case, that fellow Powers was one of your men.
Mr. Dulles. Oh, yes, he was not an agent. He was an employee.

Rep. Boggs. There was no problem in proving he was employed by the CIA.
Mr. Dulles. No. We had a signed contract.

Rep. Boggs. Let's say Powers did not have a signed contract but he was recruited by someone in CIA.
The man who recruited him would know, wouldn't he?

Mr. Dulles. Yes, but he wouldn't tell.

The Chairman. Wouldn't tell it under oath?
Mr. Dulles. I wouldn't think he would tell it under oath, no.

The Chairman. Why?
Mr. Dulles. He ought not tell it under oath. Maybe not tell it to his own government but he wouldn't tell it any other way.

Mr. McCloy. Wouldn't tell it to his own chief?
Mr. Dulles. He might or might not. If he was a bad one then he wouldn't.

Wowie zowie!

That proves it!

Clay Shaw was a "highly paid" CIA "contract source"!


Whatever that is.

[Benjamin Cole]

FL--

You seem to be a leading proponent of the theory that the CIA historian inaccurately defined Clay Shaw's role with the CIA in 1992, and then never issued a clarification or retraction of an obvious error. 

https://www.cia.gov/contact-cia/

The above is a connecting link to the CIA Public Affairs/Media Relation guys.

Go ahead and ask them if the CIA historian made a basic blunder.

If they say so, I will buy it.

You have done a word search on some online documents. That is not the same as reviewing the actual physical papers and items the CIA historian's well-staffed office did, including microfilmed documents, and other ephemera.

Good luck with the CIA public affairs staff.

[Tom Graves]

FL--

You seem to be a leading proponent of the theory that the CIA historian inaccurately defined Clay Shaw's role with the CIA in 1992, and then never issued a clarification or retraction of an obvious error. 

https://www.cia.gov/contact-cia/

The above is a connecting link to the CIA Public Affairs/Media Relation guys.

Go ahead and ask them if the CIA historian made a basic blunder.

If they say so, I will buy it.

You have done a word search on some online documents. That is not the same as reviewing the actual physical papers and items the CIA historian's well-staffed office did, including microfilmed documents, and other ephemera.

Good luck with the CIA public affairs staff.

Dear "BC,"

Maybe he was too embarrassed to admit it.

Or maybe Bruce Solie got to him.

Did he ever apologize for the huge mistake he or one of his assistants made in the same 1992 report regarding Gilberto Alvarado, Elena Garro de Paz and Lee Harvey Oswald?

No?

WHY NOT?


-- "TG"

[Benjamin Cole]

There is a possibility DeMohrenschildt was an Iron Curtain asset, or double agent.

All the more reason for Solie to have Moore contact DeM. and have him surveil LHO?

[Tom Graves]

There is a possibility DeMohrenschildt was an Iron Curtain asset, or double agent.

All the more reason for Solie to have Moore contact DeM. and have him surveil LHO?

1) Contrary to what Freddy said earlier, probable KGB mole Solie and Moore worked in different parts of the CIA.

2) Although we know that Moore approached DeMohrenschildt in 1957 for info on Yugoslavia, he was later warned off him due to GdM's shady connections.

3) We have only probable KGB agent DeMohrenschildt's word that he discussed LHO with Moore.

4) Moore denied it under oath and said the that last time he'd spoken with GdM was in the fall of 1961.

5) How ya like dem apples, "BC"?

[Tom Graves]

"BC" wrote: There is a possibility DeMohrenschildt was an Iron Curtain asset, or double agent. All the more reason for Solie to have Moore contact DeM. and have him surveil LHO?

My reply:

1) Contrary to what Freddy said earlier, probable KGB mole Solie and Moore worked in different parts of the CIA.

2) Although we know that Moore approached DeMohrenschildt in 1957 for info on Yugoslavia, he was later warned off him due to GdM's shady connections.

3) We have only probable KGB agent DeMohrenschildt's word that he discussed LHO with Moore.

4) Moore denied it under oath and said the that last time he'd spoken with GdM was in the fall of 1961.

5) How ya like dem apples, "BC"?

Edited and bumped for "BC"