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[Charles Collins]

    You are being confused by the curvature of the curbing as it wraps around onto the Elm St Ext. Fedora Man is close enough to the Traffic Signal Pole to almost reach out and touch it. On a good copy of the Wiegman Film, you can see exactly where the curb wraps around onto the Elm St Extension. Fedora Man is standing close to where Officer Baker ran across the Island. The Sixth Floor Museum release of the opening :40 of the Darnell Film showed that Officer Baker cleared this curvature section in 2 strides. This same Traffic Signal Pole is directly on Baker's (L) as he takes those 2 strides, clears the curvature, and is then immediately in the street. There is literally not much "Island" as the curbing wraps around the corner.   

Baker was heading towards the TSBD entrance (black arrow). The line of sight of Wiegman’s camera points towards the large gates area (yellow arrow). The surface of the island is what we see between Fedora Man and Purse Woman.

[Gerry Down]

Click on "A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys" and knock yourself out.

Thanks. I completely missed that thread.

[Royell Storing]

Baker was heading towards the TSBD entrance (black arrow). The line of sight of Wiegman’s camera points towards the large gates area (yellow arrow). The surface of the island is what we see between Fedora Man and Purse Woman.

    The Black Arrow is wrong. Officer Baker's motorcycle was Not parked that close to the corner. The motorcycle is parked a little further down Elm St. Hence, the Baker tracking path is wrong. With his motorcycle being parked further down Elm St, Baker was weaving his way through the people between him and the TSBD front door. Baker was also closer to the Traffic Signal Pole. The Sixth Floor release of the opening :40 seconds of the Darnell Film prove the above visual aid to be wrong.
    Wiegman was filming from inside Camera Car #1. Camera Car #1 was turning the corner as Wiegman filmed Fedora Man and that specific area in general. Wiegman was also panning his camera. This means Wiegman captured Fedora Man et al from several different angles.
    Your visual aid only shows 1 car parked between the TSBD front door and the Huge Gates. This is Wrong.
     As the JFK Assassination images become clearer, many of the previously accepted "conclusions" are being exposed as being flat-out wrong. The visual aid above is a perfect example of this. 

[Royell Storing]

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

You're such a lousy communicator.

When you say, "the car on the other side of the street," I guess you mean some car parked on the TSBD side of Elm Street Extension.

If so, what makes you think the two light-colored cars (one of which appears to be a Ford and the other of which is almost completely obscured by the front of Sawyers' car) in the National Geographic film were parked there when Wiegman and Darnell were filming about an hour earlier during the shooting?

In the Wiegman clip, the decorative horizontal "scalloped" part of the rear panel of your 1958 Pontiac Bonneville Abandoned Getaway Car can be seen immediately to the left of the crossed arm of "Fedora Man on the Island."

You mistakenly believe that that distinctive part of your 1958 Pontiac Bonneville Abandoned Getaway Car is part of another car on the other side of Elm Street Extension in the Wiegman film.

Charles has already pointed out not only the "scalloped area" of the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville in the Wiegman clip, but its right front tire and windshield as well.

Bottom line: Your "Abandoned Getaway Car" in Darnell was there all along!

Get over it and try to cook up some other tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theory now.

This one has been blown out of the water, dude.


-- Tom

   Please do some research and stop making erroneous declarations.
   The National Geographic film snippet showing Amos Euins sitting in the back of Inspector Sawyer's car, does Not have a time stamp of "about an hour" after the shooting. That snippet was filmed only 7+ minutes after the kill shot. Euins was transported from the railroad yard to Sawyer's car by Officer Harkness. Harkness made a documented 12:36 police radio transmission that he was bringing Euins to the TSBD. That snippet also shows a 3 Wheel Motorcycle double parked alongside Sawyer's car. That motorcycle was Officer Harkness's #99 3 wheeler. Again, what we are seeing in that National Geographic snippet is only 7+ minutes after the kill shot. NOT, "about an hour.....".
  So what are you claiming that "circular" object is on the car to the left of Fedora Man? That "circular" object is a tail light/brake light. The circumference of this object is far too small to possibly be a headlight. And that same circular object matches up with the circular object that we see on the car in the National Geographic snippet mentioned above.   

[Steve Barber]

    The Black Arrow is wrong. Officer Baker's motorcycle was Not parked that close to the corner. The motorcycle is parked a little further down Elm St. Hence, the Baker tracking path is wrong. With his motorcycle being parked further down Elm St, Baker was weaving his way through the people between him and the TSBD front door. Baker was also closer to the Traffic Signal Pole. The Sixth Floor release of the opening :40 seconds of the Darnell Film prove the above visual aid to be wrong.
    Wiegman was filming from inside Camera Car #1. Camera Car #1 was turning the corner as Wiegman filmed Fedora Man and that specific area in general. Wiegman was also panning his camera. This means Wiegman captured Fedora Man et al from several different angles.
    Your visual aid only shows 1 car parked between the TSBD front door and the Huge Gates. This is Wrong.
     As the JFK Assassination images become clearer, many of the previously accepted "conclusions" are being exposed as being flat-out wrong. The visual aid above is a perfect example of this.

  Hi Royell.

  Baker ran between the highway signs tree, and the traffic signal pole, but the traffic signal pole is positioned wrongly by whomever made the diagram.  It's closer to the easternmost tip edge of the peninsula, and Baker's motorcycle is visible in both the Couch and Darnell films just a few feet west of the tip of the peninsula.

[Charles Collins]

    The Black Arrow is wrong. Officer Baker's motorcycle was Not parked that close to the corner. The motorcycle is parked a little further down Elm St. Hence, the Baker tracking path is wrong. With his motorcycle being parked further down Elm St, Baker was weaving his way through the people between him and the TSBD front door. Baker was also closer to the Traffic Signal Pole. The Sixth Floor release of the opening :40 seconds of the Darnell Film prove the above visual aid to be wrong.
    Wiegman was filming from inside Camera Car #1. Camera Car #1 was turning the corner as Wiegman filmed Fedora Man and that specific area in general. Wiegman was also panning his camera. This means Wiegman captured Fedora Man et al from several different angles.
    Your visual aid only shows 1 car parked between the TSBD front door and the Huge Gates. This is Wrong.
     As the JFK Assassination images become clearer, many of the previously accepted "conclusions" are being exposed as being flat-out wrong. The visual aid above is a perfect example of this.

The Black Arrow is wrong. Officer Baker's motorcycle was Not parked that close to the corner. The motorcycle is parked a little further down Elm St. Hence, the Baker tracking path is wrong.

Yes, it is wrong. I made an assumption based on one of your earlier statements. My mistake. Looking at Baker’s path on the Darnell film, he actually passed on the other side of the traffic light pole. My first sight of Baker’s helmet in the Darnell film shows him to have already crossed about half way across the island before that point in time. Baker then makes several strides before stepping down off of the island and in front of the “getaway car”. Based on 3-feet per stride, this would be consistent with Baker having to cross about 18-feet across the island. That’s also about the visible width of the island we see when looking across it from Wiedman’s camera’s line of sight. That span of ~18-feet of the surface of the island is what we see between Fedora Man and Purse Woman (not the Elm Street surface).

Here’s a frame from Darnell that shows Baker’s motorcycle (red arrow), the curb location based on the shadow (blue arrow), and what appears to me to be Baker’s helmet (yellow arrow) as I first see him in that film segment.

[Tom Graves]

What are you claiming that "circular" object is on the car to the left of Fedora Man? That "circular" object is a tail light/brake light. The circumference of this object is far too small to possibly be a headlight. And that same circular object matches up with the circular object that we see on the car in the National Geographic snippet mentioned above.   

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Charles is right that the "circular object" is the photographed-from-an-angle-and-therefore-reduced-in-size taillight of your 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Abandoned Getaway Car" because we can also see the end section of the design feature that Car and Driver magazine described below as "the Buck's [as in Buck Rogers'] Battle Squadron rocket shooting along the full length of each side, complete with little chrome dia­mond shock waves in the white-painted "exhaust"

Seventeen and a half feet long, it can stand a lot of gazing upon. The "New Di­rection Styling" of this "Bold New Pontiac"—"the boldest advance in 50 years," asserted the ads boldly—featured Pontiac's first dual headlights, which were echoed by twinned taillights. There were dual exhausts, too—two sets of them. Fake ones pierced the huge rear bumper for fif­ties-era excitement, and real ones were hidden down below, where they wouldn't stain the chrome. Speaking of chrome, the traditional silver streaks may have been gone, but there was no shortage of spar­kling-bright plating. Tons of the stuff highlighted every line of the body, making sure you noticed the pillarless roofline, the false air venting at the rear of the canopy, the wraparound fighter-cockpit wind­shield shape, the Buck's Battle Squadron rocket shooting along the full length of each side, complete with little chrome dia­mond shock waves in the white-painted "exhaust". . . why, a person could flash clear out to Mars in this wondrous thing!


Look at how small the taillight looks in this photo, for crying out loud.

https://i.vgy.me/QqYqHS.jpg


And in this photo you can see "Buck Roger's Battle Squadron rocket shooting along the full length" of your 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Abandoned Getaway Car" -- and the wide, flaring, white-painted rocket "exhaust" near the end which can be seen on the car in the Wiegman clip, proving that your "Abandoned Getaway Car" was there the whole time!

https://i.ibb.co/6ccmKRWm/Car.jpg

The fact that the "circular object" (the passenger-side taillight of the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Abandoned Getaway Car") seems to line up perfectly with the taillight / brake light of some rando car "across the street" in Wiegman is just an example of the planets being in alignment in the anomaly-replete tragedy known as the JFK Assassination.


Speaking of rockets, rocket exhaust, and planets, you should be exiled to one of The Outer ones (e.g., Uranus), Sonderführer Storing.


-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

The Black Arrow is wrong. Officer Baker's motorcycle was Not parked that close to the corner. The motorcycle is parked a little further down Elm St. Hence, the Baker tracking path is wrong.

Yes, it is wrong. I made an assumption based on one of your earlier statements. My mistake. Looking at Baker’s path on the Darnell film, he actually passed on the other side of the traffic light pole. My first sight of Baker’s helmet in the Darnell film shows him to have already crossed about half way across the island before that point in time. Baker then makes several strides before stepping down off of the island and in front of the “getaway car”. Based on 3-feet per stride, this would be consistent with Baker having to cross about 18-feet across the island. That’s also about the visible width of the island we see when looking across it from Wiedman’s camera’s line of sight. That span of ~18-feet of the surface of the island is what we see between Fedora Man and Purse Woman (not the Elm Street surface).

Here’s a frame from Darnell that shows Baker’s motorcycle (red arrow), the curb location based on the shadow (blue arrow), and what appears to me to be Baker’s helmet (yellow arrow) as I first see him in that film segment.

           Baker parks his motorcycle close to the Elm St curb. He then runs up the sidewalk. This puts him on a path to be on the (R) side of the signal light pole. Look at the Darnell Film (:02). Look low to the ground. You can see the lower portion of Baker's leg trailing behind him. His BOOT Glistens in the sun. That shiny boot is clearly on the (R) side of the traffic signal pole.