Nothing seems to have changed

[Gerry Down]

   
    Have you actually looked at the National Geographic film snippet showing Amos Euins sitting inside Inspector Sawyer's car? The car on the other side of the street is easily seen in that snippet. The telltale tail light/brake light too. This car "claim" was thoroughly debunked before I posted this discovery, and then debunked again in another thread on this forum.

What other thread was it debunked in? I'd like to see Royells research in this area.

[Tom Graves]

What other thread was it debunked in? I'd like to see Royells research in this area.

Click on "A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys" and knock yourself out.

[Tom Graves]

   
Have you actually looked at the National Geographic film snippet showing Amos Euins sitting inside Inspector Sawyer's car? The car on the other side of the street is easily seen in that snippet. The telltale taillight/brake light too.

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

You're such a lousy communicator.

When you say, "the car on the other side of the street," I guess you mean some car parked on the TSBD side of Elm Street Extension.

If so, what makes you think the two light-colored cars (one of which appears to be a Ford and the other of which is almost completely obscured by the front of Sawyers' car) in the National Geographic film were parked there when Wiegman and Darnell were filming about an hour earlier during the shooting?

In the Wiegman clip, the decorative horizontal "scalloped" part of the rear panel of your 1958 Pontiac Bonneville Abandoned Getaway Car can be seen immediately to the left of the crossed arm of "Fedora Man on the Island."

You mistakenly believe that that distinctive part of your 1958 Pontiac Bonneville Abandoned Getaway Car is part of another car on the other side of Elm Street Extension in the Wiegman film.

Charles has already pointed out not only the "scalloped area" of the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville in the Wiegman clip, but its right front tire and windshield as well.

Bottom line: Your "Abandoned Getaway Car" in Darnell was there all along!

Get over it and try to cook up some other tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theory now.

This one has been blown out of the water, dude.


-- Tom

[Charles Collins]

  Again, this car with the arrow pointing at it is parked on the Other Side of the Elm St Extension. It is facing the railroad yard. That car is seen on the National Geographic presentation showing Amos Euins sitting inside Inspector Sawyer's car. The red TAIL LIGHT of this car matches up perfectly with a car parked in front of Inspector Sawyer's car. You can also see the empty surface street between Fedora Man & Purse Woman and this car that is parked on the other side of the Elm Street Extension,

You can also see the empty surface street between Fedora Man & Purse Woman and this car that is parked on the other side of the Elm Street Extension


The empty surface we see between Fedora Man & Purse Woman is the concrete island. The “getaway car” is parked close to the north curb of that island and blocks the camera’s view of the street surface.

[Royell Storing]

The poles are NOT directly in line with each other.

However they ARE directly in line with each other (and Weigman’s camera) in this image:

   This is Fedora Man and Purse Woman standing on the (L) of the traffic signal pole. We can clearly see well behind them. In fact, we can even see the lane of the Elm St Extension that runs directly into the railroad yard. This is because there is not a 17+ Foot long car parked at the curb behind them. Not yet!

[Royell Storing]

You can also see the empty surface street between Fedora Man & Purse Woman and this car that is parked on the other side of the Elm Street Extension


The empty surface we see between Fedora Man & Purse Woman is the concrete island. The “getaway car” is parked close to the north curb of that island and blocks the camera’s view of the street surface.

  Fedora Man and Purse Woman were standing between the above 2 poles on the Wiegman Film. As we can see, there is very little of the Island behind these 2 poles. The Wiegman Film shows the surface street well behind these 2 poles. That is because there is not a 17+ foot long car, standing 5 feet high parked on the curb there. Not yet!

[Charles Collins]

  Fedora Man and Purse Woman were standing between the above 2 poles on the Wiegman Film. As we can see, there is very little of the Island behind these 2 poles. The Wiegman Film shows the surface street well behind these 2 poles. That is because there is not a 17+ foot long car, standing 5 feet high parked on the curb there. Not yet!

No, Fedora Man and Purse Woman were standing at the south curb of the island (aka: the north curb of Elm Street). The entire width of the concrete island can be seen between them. On the other side of the island, parked close to the island’s north curb (aka: the Elm Street Extension’s south curb), is the “getaway car” parked heading east. It is the same car that stayed there the whole time.

[Royell Storing]

No, Fedora Man and Purse Woman were standing at the south curb of the island (aka: the north curb of Elm Street). The entire width of the concrete island can be seen between them. On the other side of the island, parked close to the island’s north curb (aka: the Elm Street Extension’s south curb), is the “getaway car” parked heading east. It is the same car that stayed there the whole time.

    You are being confused by the curvature of the curbing as it wraps around onto the Elm St Ext. Fedora Man is close enough to the Traffic Signal Pole to almost reach out and touch it. On a good copy of the Wiegman Film, you can see exactly where the curb wraps around onto the Elm St Extension. Fedora Man is standing close to where Officer Baker ran across the Island. The Sixth Floor Museum release of the opening :40 of the Darnell Film showed that Officer Baker cleared this curvature section in 2 strides. This same Traffic Signal Pole is directly on Baker's (L) as he takes those 2 strides, clears the curvature, and is then immediately in the street. There is literally not much "Island" as the curbing wraps around the corner.