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« Reply #48 on: Today at 10:56:21 AM »

In this image I have drawn a yellow arrow pointing at the right rear taillight area. That RR quarter panel appears to have shadows from the tree above; while the other car (beyond) appears to be in full sunlight. I drew a green arrow pointing at a wheel. And I drew a red arrow pointing at the top of the windshield. The windshield becomes more obvious in another frame where the light refraction bending the edge of the brick column is more visible (already posted earlier in this thread).



Excellent work, Charles!

Note the distinctive horizontal line which is a little above the yellow arrow and is a continuation of "Fedora Man's" crossed forearm in this frame from the Wiegman clip. There's another horizontal line about a foot-and-a-half below it which is harder to make out because it's more in the shade from an overhanging tree branch.

These two horizontal lines delineate the (white?) recessed "scalloped' area color-wise from the much darker color of the main body.

Google "1958 Pontiac Bonneville" to see more examples of this design feature.
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« Reply #49 on: Today at 02:35:37 PM »
Look at the centre of the photograph Collins has posted here. There is a man in a black suit with his hands folded. To his right is a woman with a large handbag and she is looking towards the triple underpass. In-between this man and woman can be seen two cars overlapping.

The rear passenger quarter panel of the mystery car is visible.

The car was there all along 😎

   The car you are referencing is parked on the Other Side of the Elm St Extension. the car is facing the railroad yard and you are seeing the rear of that car, including the tail light. This car has already been matched up with the National Geographic filmed snippet showing Amos Euins sitting in the back seat of Inspector Sawyer's car. That car is in front of Sawyer's car near the Huge Gates. This was addressed during peer review and then again on this Forum in a different thread. The "getaway" car is Not on the Wiegman Film. At this point in time, the "getaway" car is rolling down the Elm St Extension. It began rolling when it heard the 1st shot being fired. That was the wheel man's que.   

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« Reply #50 on: Today at 02:45:10 PM »
Excellent work!

  Again, this car with the arrow pointing at it is parked on the Other Side of the Elm St Extension. It is facing the railroad yard. That car is seen on the National Geographic presentation showing Amos Euins sitting inside Inspector Sawyer's car. The red TAIL LIGHT of this car matches up perfectly with a car parked in front of Inspector Sawyer's car. You can also see the empty surface street between Fedora Man & Purse Woman and this car that is parked on the other side of the Elm Street Extension,

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« Reply #51 on: Today at 08:25:22 PM »

The chrome rear bumper of the car we see parked next to the island is blocking the view of the front portion of the right rear wheel of the car you are referring to. Its taillight can be seen slightly above that chrome bumper (yellow arrows). The front of this car parked next to the island appears to be to the right of the two poles outlined in yellow (due to the angle of the line of sight). Therefore your “getaway car” is further away from the camera towards the TSBD and is not the same car we have been discussing.



The dark horizontal line that the upper arrow is pointing to on "The Abandoned Getaway Car" is visible in a frame or two in the Wiegman clip.
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« Reply #52 on: Today at 08:46:41 PM »

Excellent work, Charles!

Note the distinctive horizontal line which is a little above the yellow arrow and is a continuation of "Fedora Man's" crossed forearm in this frame from the Wiegman clip. There's another horizontal line about a foot-and-a-half below it which is harder to make out because it's more in the shade from an overhanging tree branch.

These two horizontal lines delineate the (white?) recessed "scalloped' area color-wise from the much darker color of the main body.

Google "1958 Pontiac Bonneville" to see more examples of this design feature.


Note: The above comment refers to the first post on this page which includes a frame from the Wiegman film that was posted a bit earlier by Charles Collins.

Charles drew one yellow arrow and one red arrow on said frame. The yellow arrow is pointing towards the upper horizontal line that all 1958 Pontiac Bonnevilles have in that "scalloped" part of the car.
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Note: The above comment refers to the first post on this page which includes a frame from the Wiegman film that was posted a bit earlier by Charles Collins.

Charles drew one yellow arrow and one red arrow on said frame. The yellow arrow is pointing towards the upper horizontal line that all 1958 Pontiac Bonnevilles have in that "scalloped" part of the car.

  That yellow arrow is pointing to the REAR END of a car parked on the other side of the street. The circular thing you see is a Large Tail Light/Brake Light on the car. And you can see nothing but the surface street between the people standing there and this car. This is because the car is on the other side of the street.

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« Reply #54 on: Today at 11:01:27 PM »
That yellow arrow is pointing to the REAR END of a car parked on the other side of the street. The circular thing you see is a Large Tail Light/Brake Light on the car. And you can see nothing but the surface street between the people standing there and this car. This is because the car is on the other side of the street.

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

You're mistaken.

You're "seeing" what you need to see.

-- Tom
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