The best evidence Ferrie and Clay Shaw were close acquaintences

[Benjamin Cole]

GD-

Thanks for your post.

I am a little taken aback by people who (never having met Shaw) say that, "Well, you know Shaw was an elite high-class guy, who would have never been seen in the company of Ferrie, or consorted with him."

Some forget that Shaw and Ferrie shared a strong ideological bond, an opposition to communism (then a big issue). They were both CIA assets. It assumed that Shaw must be a snob, with no evidence for that. And yes, Shaw and Ferrie shared a secret sex lifestyle (at that time and place). They had a lot in common.

The US is not really a class-conscious society; I am sure there are exceptions. But Shaw in the company of Ferrie? Why not?

[Fred Litwin]

Neither were CIA assets.

There is not one piece of evidence that they knew each other.

Except for the testimony of Perry Russo.

Just because they were both gay doesn't mean they knew each other.

Layton Martens, who knew both of them, said they didn't know each other.

fred

[Lance Payette]

Why not?

Because there is no evidence - would that be a reason?

Based on your goofy analysis, there are probably 2,000 people in my little town to whom I could be "plausibly connected" via innuendo but in fact have never met.

I forgot to mention that Shaw's housekeeper of 18 years said she had never seen Ferrie.

[Tommy Shanks]

The US is not really a class-conscious society; I am sure there are exceptions. But Shaw in the company of Ferrie? Why not?

Benjamin, because, as Fred Litwin has shown here, there is literally no evidence to support such a claim.. and, people who knew both of them and have no reason to distort the truth insist they never knew each other.

[Lance Payette]

By way of example, Josephine Hug, who worked in the Trade Mart for several years, was one of the most concerning Ferrie-Shaw "witnesses." For much of the time, she occupied an office adjoining Shaw's. She saw, she told several people, Ferrie go into Shaw's office numerous times carrying an attache case, whereupon Shaw always closed the door. EEK!

If you want to read something humorous, read the transcript of Josephine Hug's appearance before Garrison's grand jury. After Richard Burnes of Garrison's office completely bungles the interrogation, the JURORS take over and do an absolutely superb job of nailing Josephine to the wall. She finally acknowledges that OK, it wasn't Ferrie at all.

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/garr/grandjury/pdf/Hug.pdf

Several months later, Burnes took a stab at interrogating Hug's husband. That didn't go any better, to put it mildly:

https://www.jfk-online.com/hug3.html

Needless to say, Josephine Hug - once a star witness for connecting Shaw to Ferrie - was not called to testify at trial.

But not in conspiracy world, of course. Josephine actually saw a crew-cut David Ferrie go into Shaw's office 10-12 times with an attache case (WHAT WAS IN IT? MAYBE SEX TOYS!), whereupon Shaw mysteriously closed the door (SO THEY COULD HAVE SEX RIGHT THERE ON THE DESK!). Then "they" - whoever "they" are - got to her and TERRORIZED the poor woman into recanting The Truth.
 

You folks are nuts.

[Benjamin Cole]

LP

Yes, but there is evidence Ferrie and Shaw knew each other, from the commentary of Orest Pena, a bar owner before the HSCA.

Perhaps Pena is mistaken, or maybe he is telling the truth. 

Pena says Shaw and Ferrie would visit the bar together.

There is no word if Pena's bar was a gay bar, or gay tolerant.

As for hook-ups always hewing to hoity-toity class lines...we all know sexual desire crosses class lines the way the wind blows through the bushes.

[Tom Graves]

LP

Yes, but there is evidence Ferrie and Shaw knew each other, from the commentary of Orest Pena, a bar owner before the HSCA.

Perhaps Pena is mistaken, or maybe he is telling the truth. 

Pena says Shaw and Ferrie would visit the bar together.

There is no word if Pena's bar was a gay bar, or gay tolerant.

As for hook-ups always hewing to hoity-toity class lines...we all know sexual desire crosses class lines the way the wind blows through the bushes.

Do you want to believe Pena?

[Benjamin Cole]

TG--

What has "want" got to do with it?

Pena was a witness, who evidently did in fact own a bar in New Orleans. He is not some off-the-wall crackpot.

A bar owner would be a great resource as to who knows who in New Orleans, in that time and place.  Bar owners tend to keep tabs on customers---it is their business and trade, after all.

Why is Pena's word dismissed, but the word of others accepted?

Do you have reasons to regard Pena as an unreliable witness?