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The best evidence Ferrie and Clay Shaw were close acquaintences
Gerry Down:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on January 26, 2026, 10:42:40 PM ---Ferrie was an interesting and bizarre character. He and Shaw shared gay proclivities.
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What are the proclivities you are referring to here? Does the Carpenter book go into Shaws sex life?
Gerry Down:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on January 26, 2026, 10:42:40 PM ---Pena certainly comes across in the HSCA testimony as having a major vendetta against DeBrueys for some reason.
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Thats straightforward. Pena was passing info to DeBrueys about possible cuban exile communists in the New Orleans area and next thing Pena sees DeBrueys working with the communist LHO. Pena probably thought he and DeBrueys were on the same side until he saw DeBrueys and LHO together. Then he may have thought DeBrueys had communist sympathies. This would mean Pena had been passing all his tips on unearthing communists to the communist DeBrueys. I think thats what the beef is about.
Gerry Down:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on January 26, 2026, 10:42:40 PM ---For that matter, if Ferrie and Shaw did have some sexual/social connection that had nothing to with the JFKA, then who cares? Surely, in every instance the purpose is to connect Shaw to some Garrison-type JFKA plot through innuendo.
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If Garrison was right about Ferrie and Shaw knowing each other, and then he sees Shaw denying this, you can see how Garrison may have come to become obsessed with Shaw. Even if it has nothing to do with the JFKA, it may help clarify what was going on with Garrison and his investigation.
Lance Payette:
--- Quote from: Gerry Down on January 26, 2026, 11:06:53 PM ---What are the proclivities you are referring to here? Does the Carpenter book go into Shaws sex life?
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Very much so. Possibly more than you want to know. But not with Ferrie.
Lance Payette:
My Amazon review of Carpenter's book, FWIW:
Customer Review
3.0 out of 5 stars Worthwhile but overwhelming with extraneous and unnecessary detail
Reviewed in the United States on October 16, 2025
Format: Kindle Verified Purchase
This is an exhaustive and exhausting effort. It reads as though compiled from Shaw's calendar and correspondence. The level of extraneous and unnecessary detail is like no book I've ever read. Seemingly every meeting Shaw ever attended, every speech he ever gave, every letter he ever wrote. "And then he did this ... and then he did this ... and then he did that," but with little insight or context. When you're done, there are perhaps 200 pages comprising a good, solid, well-researched biography of Shaw, with plenty of details that I as a longtime JFK assassination buff didn't know and found very interesting. It's just that it's all buried beneath so much extraneous and unnecessary detail that I finally found myself skipping through large portions on my Kindle and then pausing when there was finally something more substantive than "And then he did this ... and then he did this ... and then he did this." It is definitely a worthwhile book but desperately in need of an editor or publisher with the sense to say "250 pages and not one page more."
I see you started the same thread at the Ed Forum. I'm guessing you'll have a much more receptive audience since there is a 2022 Pena thread in which DiEugenio, Simpich and Boylan were practically orgasmic. I have a hard time believing DeBrueys was central to the JFKA and completely lying about his non-relationship with Pena, or that Oswald was openly consorting with DeBrueys, Customs agents and INS agents. All of which leads me to think the Ferrie-Shaw stuff is likewise nonsense.
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