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Debunking Griffith's ridiculous claims!
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Paul J Cummings on January 24, 2026, 12:37:27 PM ---Right on Michael. Even Jesse Curry couldn't put LHO on the 6th Floor but guys like Mytton do.
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Curry's supposed quote came from a newspaper article, when he was pushing his book and even then Curry says he's "not sure". Curry wanted to make money and CT books were profitable.
But one fact from Curry's book that is rarely mentioned is that he endorses that Oswald killed Tippit! How do you feel about that, Paul?
JohnM
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on January 24, 2026, 12:33:59 PM ---The following extract is what the HSCA claimed. For some reason they think that the rear box wall that encapsulates the sniper's nest was 6 inches from the plane of the pane of glass, which puts the boxes up against the bricks?
But as seen in the very early Tom Alyea footage, the boxes were closer to two to three feet back and upon closer examination, we can see the higher box on the left side of the stack which in actual fact never moves between Dillard and Powell. And my original question still stands, why the heck would someone remain behind and move some boxes, it's just another absurd CT belief, because when you have no evidence of any conspiracy you end up clinging to illogical garbage.
The above HSCA extract comes from a section of HSCA Volume VI and since they understandably weren't sure they used a lot of terms like "approximate", "suggests", "not known precisely", "probable error" ETC ETC ETC.
https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol6/pdf/HSCA_Vol6_4A_Gunmen.pdf
And now that we have a clearer understanding of where the higher box was actually located, NOT 6 inches back but at least two feet behind the glass pane, the varying perspectives can be easily explained by the following graphic.JohnM
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You don't know what you're talking about. You clearly don't grasp the points made by the HSCA photographic experts on this issue. And, obviously, you still have not bothered to read Barry Krusch's exhaustive analysis that proves the HSCA experts were correct.
Does it ever, ever occur to you to read the other side before you get on here and repeat your debunked claims? I know you haven't read Krusch's detailed analysis, yet you responded to my reply by doubling down on your claim that the movement of boxes is just an optical illusion created by two different perspectives. The HSCA experts considered that explanation and rejected it. Krusch demolishes it.
Finally, I notice that you once again declined to discuss the witnesses who saw two men with a rifle on the sixth floor 10-15 minutes before the shooting, the law clerk who saw a man in the sniper's window 4-5 minutes after the shooting when Oswald could not have been there and long before any law officer had gone to the sixth floor, and the two well-dressed men coming down the stairs from the sixth floor at no later than 12:50.
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on January 24, 2026, 12:50:14 PM ---Hi, JM!
You are clearly the master of the photographic record and most all evidentiary stuff, and your contributions are always excellent.
The only quibble I have is that engaging with MTG and other Gee-Whiz True Believers is essentially just feeding the trolls. He gains some sort of curious credibility just by virtue of the fact that someone like you engages with him on his turf. I don't think there is any way his stuff really resonates with anyone other than a fellow Gee-Whiz True Believer. It's actually kind of bizarre to me that he keeps posting his stuff on this forum, as though the audience here hadn't already heard it all 5,000 times.
As you can see at his "Extremely Fragile House of Cards" thread, I personally think the only effective way to engage with these characters is at the level of:
1. Epistemology.
2. Psychology.
3. Ridicule.
Of course, my engagement is only "effective" with those still having enough critical-thinking skills to recognize "Yes, that's right. This is a mind not tracking in the channels of normality. These arguments do not hold together rationally and logically."
My engagement is not at all effective with Michael himself because, as I set forth in my post about the four defining characteristics of far-fetched conspiracy thinking, he lives in a cocoon (or echo chamber, if you will) where his theories are bullet-proof and his faith in them is unshakeable.
At the "Extremely Fragile" thread, he just blew right past my posts and blithely posted his next batch of nonsense.
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Hey Lance,
I enjoy reading your stuff too, and yes there is no doubt that hardly anyone outside us fanatics is really interested in the JFKA anymore.
There is nothing left to prove and even if there was some massive Griffith type conspiracy where the Mountain of evidence was faked by some unknown alien technology and lied about by hundreds, would anyone under 60 give a stuff?
Unless someone can provide concrete proof that LBJ or Hoover or Tom's KGB was behind the assassination then I see no reason why anyone will care.
Personally I like exploring the photographic and film evidence and piecing together these individual elements into a cohesive whole and which 99 times out of a hundred just reinforces the official narrative.
JohnM
Paul J Cummings:
So what? Been over 2,000 books on the JFKA. People don't write books on the JFKA to make money, if anything it's quite the opposite. LHO wasn't on the 6th floor when the motorcade went by the TSBD nor did he shoot JFK. There's no credible evidence that even shots were even fired from the alleged snipers nest.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Paul J Cummings on January 24, 2026, 01:44:00 PM ---So what? Been over 2,000 books on the JFKA. People don't write books on the JFKA to make money, if anything it's quite the opposite. LHO wasn't on the 6th floor when the motorcade went by the TSBD nor did he shoot JFK. There's no credible evidence that even shots were even fired from the alleged snipers nest.
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Dear Paul,
You're full of beans and KGB* disinformation whether you realize it or not.
*Today's SVR and FSB
-- Tom
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