A succinct and authoritative counterpoint to TG's "KGB stuff"

[Lance Payette]

Blissfully, TG is so far in my rearview mirror that I actually don't remember even starting this thread.

So many JFKA rabbit holes, so little time.

[Tom Graves]

Blissfully, TG is so far in my rearview mirror that I actually don't remember even starting this thread.

I've really, really missed you, Fancy Pants Rancid!

[John Corbett]

But you were hoping to run the gas chambers, weren't you?

I have to say this. You are the most irrational LN I've come across in 35 years of discussing the JFK online. Even more so than Andrew Mason which is a rather high bar to clear.

[Lance Payette]

I have to say this. You are the most irrational LN I've come across in 35 years of discussing the JFK online. Even more so than Andrew Mason which is a rather high bar to clear.

To call Tom an LNer doesn't do justice to his wackiness. Yes, he is weirdly devoted to the LN narrative and obsessed with the details of Dealey Plaza, but this is ONLY in the context of the LN narrative being an example of the massive, decades-long KGB Master Plot conspiracy in which Oswald and Marina were operatives. Why he resists another KGB-affiliated gunman or at least some KGB-affiliated helpers in Dealey Plaza, I'm not sure - but he is indeed a hardcore LNer in the context of a massive KGB conspiracy (with even Oswald being on a KGB mission, which would seem to make the JFKA itself a conspiracy).

If anyone cares to, you can trace Tom's evolution at the Ed Forum. I found the very thread - from 2018, as I recall - where someone introduced him to Bagley's book. You can then trace his dawning epiphany, which seems to be related more to Trump than anything else. "Yes, this is it!" you can see Tom saying. "The Master Plot explains The Donald and Putin and everything else, including the JFKA!" He's really working bassackwards from the election of Trump to how this explains the previous 75 years of American history, with the JFKA just being one of the stations of the cross in his Monster Plot theology.

[Tom Graves]

I have to say this. You are the most irrational LN I've come across in 35 years of discussing the JFK online. Even more so than Andrew Mason which is a rather high bar to clear.

Corbett,

Like you, I believe the Single Bullet Hypothesis is correct, and that a former Marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald, with or without encouragement or "programming" by the [fill in the blank], murdered JFK by firing three shots at him in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza.

Do you have a problem with that?

--  Tom

[Tom Graves]

To call Tom an LNer doesn't do justice to his wackiness. Yes, he is weirdly devoted to the LN narrative and obsessed with the details of Dealey Plaza, but this is ONLY in the context of the LN narrative being an example of the massive, decades-long KGB Master Plot conspiracy in which Oswald and Marina were operatives. Why he resists another KGB-affiliated gunman or at least some KGB-affiliated helpers in Dealey Plaza, I'm not sure - but he is indeed a hardcore LNer in the context of a massive KGB conspiracy (with even Oswald being on a KGB mission, which would seem to make the JFKA itself a conspiracy).

If anyone cares to, you can trace Tom's evolution at the Ed Forum. I found the very thread - from 2018, as I recall - where someone introduced him to Bagley's book. You can then trace his dawning epiphany, which seems to be related more to Trump than anything else. "Yes, this is it!" you can see Tom saying. "The Master Plot explains The Donald and Putin and everything else, including the JFKA!" He's really working bassackwards from the election of Trump to how this explains the previous 75 years of American history, with the JFKA just being one of the stations of the cross in his Monster Plot theology.

Dear Fancy Pants Rants,

Whether or not self-described Marxist Oswald murdered JFK at the suggestion of or ... gasp ... unlikely orders from the KGB, it is interesting to note that:
1) A true defector, KGB Major Pyotr Deriabin, wrote a day or two after the assassination that Marina Prusakova had to be at least a low-level KGB informant to be allowed to marry Oswald and leave the USSR with him

2) A CIA Counterintelligence analyst, Clare Edward Petty, read some WW II VENONA decrypts in the early 1970s and came to the conclusion that George DeMohrenschildt was very likely a long-term (since 1938) "Illegal"

3) Ivan Obyedkov, the KGB security officer at the Soviet Embassy -- who told a forgetful Oswald or "Oswald" over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phoneline on 10/01/63 that the name of the "consul" he had met with a few days earlier was Department 13-radioactive "Kostikov" -- was a Kremlin-loyal triple-agent, i.e., the CIA mistakenly believed it had successfully recruited him (Obyedkov).

Apparently due to fear of a Nuclear Armageddon, this fact caused LBJ, the FBI, and the Warren Commission to not look too deeply at the possibility that the KGB was behind the assassination.

4) The only reason KGB Colonel Valery Kostikov was "Department 13-radioactive" on 10/01/63 and 11/23/63 was because a Kremlin-loyal triple agent at the FBI's NYC field office, J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA, had told it a year earlier that Kostikov's charge at the U.N., Igor Brykin, was "Department 13."

5) The description of the "Oswald" that Silvia Duran and Eusebio Azcue allegedly dealt with at the Cuban Consulate on Friday, 27 October 1963 strongly matched Raul Castro's and Che Guevarra's mentor -- short, skinny, blond-haired, 35-year-old, very-thin-faced KGB Colonel Nikolai Leonov -- whose cover was "Third Secretary" and "Assistant Cultural Attache" at the Soviet Embassy and who, on 22 November 1993, told National Enquirer that he and Oswald had a one-on-one meeting at the Soviet Embassy (not the Consulate) on Sunday, September 29, during which ... yep ... Oswald started weeping and brandishing a revolver (just as he'd allegedly done at the Consulate the day before, but of course Leonov didn't mention that in his article).

-- Tom

Oh yeah, and "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin installed The Traitorous Orange Conman Turd as our "President" on 20 January 2017.

[John Corbett]

Corbett,

Like you, I believe the Single Bullet Hypothesis is correct, and that a former Marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald, with or without encouragement or "programming" by the [fill in the blank], murdered JFK by firing three shots at him in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza.

Do you have a problem with that?

--  Tom

I have no problem with that. I wonder why you keep going down every Soviet rabbit hole you come across. The Soviets had nothing to do with the JFK assassination. Neither did Castro, Neither did anyone except little old Lee Harvey Oswald.