Does Connally's wrist wound disprove the SBT?

[Lance Payette]

I disagree whole heartedly with your assessment Lance. JFK, Jackie, and the limo were in a significantly different direction from where Linda Willis is pointing. All you have to do is follow the panning motion of Croft and his camera to know where the limo is. If that seems too difficult, take a look at the full frame video that actually shows the limo and its occupants. Linda’s pointing motion seems to me to be a very quick instinctive reaction to the sound of the first shot. Unless she happened to look specifically at the sniper’s nest window and saw LHO aiming his rifle, she might not even remember this reaction at all. My opinion, yours may vary.

Well, no, you don't disagree with my assessment - you disagree with Linda's assessment. Linda says she was waving, Linda says she thought the first shot was a firecracker, Linda says she never even looked at the Depository. Because Linda's own recollection is inconsitent with whatever point you're making, you attribute to Linda an "instinctive" reaction of which she was wholly unaware. The woman in front is clearly waving and clearly not looking up at the sixth floor, but Linda "instinctively" is. Ho-kay, on it goes.

14-year-old Linda told the WC she was directly across from the Stemmons sign when she heard the first shot, which she first thought was a firecracker but realized it was a shot when JFK's hands went to his throat. As I recall, this is also exactly when Gloria Calvery and her two companions said the first shot occurred.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/pdf/WH7_LindaWillis.pdf

[Charles Collins]

Well, no, you don't disagree with my assessment - you disagree with Linda's assessment. Linda says she was waving, Linda says she thought the first shot was a firecracker, Linda says she never even looked at the Depository. Because Linda's own recollection is inconsitent with whatever point you're making, you attribute to Linda an "instinctive" reaction of which she was wholly unaware. The woman in front is clearly waving and clearly not looking up at the sixth floor, but Linda "instintively" is. Ho-kay, on it goes.

There are two older ladies that are pointing upwards towards the sniper’s nest window. One of them has a white handkerchief in her left hand and thrusts her right hand pointing upwards towards the sniper’s nest window as she is backing up. They are also looking in an entirely different direction which is way, way, way, behind the JFK limo. There is a large gap in the motorcade between the Queen Mary and LBJ’s vehicle at that point in time. Nobody is there in that gap for them to be waving at. So it appears to me that, if they are waving, that it is possible that they could be trying to get the attention of the SS agents in the Queen Mary to alert them to the sniper. Or perhaps they were able to see LBJ’s vehicle approaching and wanted to get his attention; but I believe that the crowd was in the way such that they couldn’t yet see LBJ’s vehicle. These same two ladies can be seen hanging out in that same area in the pre-motorcade segment of the Zapruder film. I think it is possible that they (like Brennan) also noticed LHO in the window before the motorcade arrived, then saw him aiming his rifle.

[Royell Storing]

There are two older ladies that are pointing upwards towards the sniper’s nest window. One of them has a white handkerchief in her left hand and thrusts her right hand pointing upwards towards the sniper’s nest window as she is backing up. They are also looking in an entirely different direction which is way, way, way, behind the JFK limo. There is a large gap in the motorcade between the Queen Mary and LBJ’s vehicle at that point in time. Nobody is there in that gap for them to be waving at. So it appears to me that, if they are waving, that it is possible that they could be trying to get the attention of the SS agents in the Queen Mary to alert them to the sniper. Or perhaps they were able to see LBJ’s vehicle approaching and wanted to get his attention; but I believe that the crowd was in the way such that they couldn’t yet see LBJ’s vehicle. These same two ladies can be seen hanging out in that same area in the pre-motorcade segment of the Zapruder film. I think it is possible that they (like Brennan) also noticed LHO in the window before the motorcade arrived, then saw him aiming his rifle.

   Possibly pointing in the general direction of the TSBD is not, "pointing upwards towards the sniper's nest window". The TSBD has a very large footprint and sits on higher ground vs the downhill grade of Elm St. This higher ground includes the bushes/shrubs/garden that runs directly across from the TSBD.

[Charles Collins]

   Possibly pointing in the general direction of the TSBD is not, "pointing upwards towards the sniper's nest window". The TSBD has a very large footprint and sits on higher ground vs the downhill grade of Elm St. This higher ground includes the bushes/shrubs/garden that runs directly across from the TSBD.

The angle of their arms has them pointing at the sniper's nest window. I have tested this on two different 3D computer models that are quite accurate.

[Lance Payette]

I truly have no dog in the fight - and am not even sure what the fight is - but in the clips on page 6 of this thread it certainly looks to me as though the other women are doing "Yoo-hoo!" waving at something in the motorcade (I suppose LBJ had his fans too) and not pointing up at the sixth floor window. I'll bow out, but it does seem to me that these disputes over what the films and photographs show and what the witnesses said eventually turn into Rorshach exercises.

[Benjamin Cole]

Ditto.

[Benjamin Cole]

In this frame, Z-223, you can see Jackie Kennedy is reacting to the apparent injury to JFK. She is looking at JFK.

Thus, some time has already elapsed from when JFK was actually struck. A few tenths of a second perhaps.

By Z-225, we see JFK already has his fists near his throat.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z225.jpg

Yet, Gov. JBC still appears uninjured.

The SBT looks very iffy.

[Charles Collins]

I truly have no dog in the fight - and am not even sure what the fight is - but in the clips on page 6 of this thread it certainly looks to me as though the other women are doing "Yoo-hoo!" waving at something in the motorcade (I suppose LBJ had his fans too) and not pointing up at the sixth floor window. I'll bow out, but it does seem to me that these disputes over what the films and photographs show and what the witnesses said eventually turn into Rorshach exercises.

Thanks Lance, your opinion is appreciated and duly noted. I don’t rule out the possibility that you are correct. But I would point out that it appears there is nothing but a big gap in the motorcade where they appear to be looking and pointing. And the sniper would be up there where they could have easily seen him taking aim (if not already firing the first shot).