Did probable mole Bruce Solie manipulate Gerry Patrick Hemming?

[Tom Graves]

Over at the so-called JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum, tinfoil hat JFKA conspiracy theorist Greg Burnham is perplexed because he's evidently just now noticed that some Marine Corps records pertaining to his old friend, Gerry Patrick Hemming (RIP), differ from his CIA file as to whether or not he was in the same MACS unit as Oswald in 1957. (Hemmings' Marine Corps "Unit Diary" records says he was stationed in Hawaii, but his OS file says he was at stationed at Atsugi.)

I just now took a quick look at Hemming's Office of Security file (OS-429-229) at the Mary Ferrell website, and it turns out that it was permanently signed out to a part of the OS's mole-hunting Security Research Staff known as the Security Analysis Group (SAG), whose chief was none other than probable KGB mole Bruce Leonard Solie.

[Benjamin Cole]

TG-

Excellent observation.

Hemmings blew smoke around the JFKA for decades.

Was he a Solie dupe? Just a crackpot?

[Tom Graves]

TG-

Excellent observation.

Hemmings blew smoke around the JFKA for decades.

Was he a Solie dupe? Just a crackpot?

Let's speculate!!!

[Benjamin Cole]

TG-

This is not speculation, but observation: The CIA often used personnel who were detailed from other defense agencies.

For example, when the Kennedy Administration decided to have the SV Diem brothers waxed, they turned over dirty work to Lucien Conein, US Army officer but actual OSS/CIA operative.

Same deal on Hemming?

[Tom Graves]

TG-

This is not speculation, but observation: The CIA often used personnel who were detailed from other defense agencies.

For example, when the Kennedy Administration decided to have the SV Diem brothers waxed, they turned over dirty work to Lucien Conein, US Army officer but actual OSS/CIA operative.

Same deal on Hemming?

So, now you think the CIA killed JFK?

[Benjamin Cole]

TG-

If the CIA murdered JFK, it was likely through KGB operatives embedded in the CIA, and G2 allies, who manipulated LHO.

That is, it was not the CIA proper (that is, Dulles-Angleton-Harvey), but KGB'ers in CIA clothing. You know the Solie story.

Alpha 66, which had a house in Dallas remains an interesting suspect. By late 1963, Alpha 66 was actually under the aegis of Army intel, and was incorrigible.

Evidently, Gus Russo does not want to discuss with me who in New Orleans from the G2 was working on LHO.

Maybe!

[Steve M. Galbraith]

TG-

This is not speculation, but observation: The CIA often used personnel who were detailed from other defense agencies.

For example, when the Kennedy Administration decided to have the SV Diem brothers waxed, they turned over dirty work to Lucien Conein, US Army officer but actual OSS/CIA operative.

Same deal on Hemming?

I'm straying far from the original topic but I have to ask: You think Conein killed the Diem brothers? It wasn't the coup plotters?

The accounts I've read said that he was enraged and devastated at their deaths. And at the time of their deaths he was either at the American Embassy or the JGS headquarters. He certainly wasn't with the Diems or the plotters. So how could he kill them?

And who in the Kennedy Administration gave the order to "wax" the Diems? The evidence for me is that they certainly looked the other way, told the coup plotters that they couldn't endorse the act but had no opinion on it otherwise. That's essentially a green light (I'm surprised that JFK was stunned when he learned about their deaths). I think Lodge in particular was guilty of letting it happen. He could have ordered a flight for them to get them out. Anyway, it's my understanding that it was Big Mingh and his followers who killed them not Conein.

Here's an account by Rufus Phillips who was there during the coup (from his book: "Why Vietnam Matters"). Phillips was a CIA officer stationed at the US Embassy in Saigon. The "Lou" is Conein. Yes, for example isn't proof but I am not aware of contrary evidence that Conein endorsed the killing or called for it or okayed it much less did it himself.

[Benjamin Cole]

SMG-

We should probably start a new thread on this one. Holiday season, so this is a rush job:

Lucien Conein was CIA, detailed to Army, and provided large amounts of cash to Big Minh, as part of and to finance the coup.

Ambassador Lodge, essentially the proconsul of SV (unlike modern ambassadors), wanted the Diems out. Lodge warned JFK (in recorded sessions) that the coup would likely be lethal to the Diems. JFK ok'ed the coup.

Conein would complain later he asked for a plane to evacuate the Diems, but was told it would take a long time, a curiosity as the US had a big airbase at Danang. Something like a two-day delay.

The top U.S. Marine in South Vietnam was Major General Victor H. Krulak, and he is also on the record as stating he never heard of any plans to evacuate the Diems, by plane or otherwise.

It is known that Lodge did not want the Diems to establish a government in exile.

JFK had an unusual, nearly unhinged, dislike for Madame Nhu.

Some have suspected Ed Lansdale organized a "revenge" assassination, as Lansdale had been close to the Diems, and had worked with the Diems to establish SV.

The CIA station in Saigon backed the Diems, but Conein said he was under orders from Lodge.

I posted on this in the now dubious Education Forum, and will cross post shortly.

Happy New Year!

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/vietnam/2020-11-01/new-light-dark-corner-evidence-diem-coup-november-1963

https://prde.upress.virginia.edu/content/JFK_Vietnam2

https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/was-jfk-behind-the-assassination-of-diem

The above articles scratch the surface....