SHAMROCK said an extensive KGB investigation concluded the MIC killed JFK!

[Benjamin Cole]

SMG--

You ask fair questions. It would take a book to answer your questions, but I will throw up some observations. 


1. KGB and G2 records have not been examined, except as allowed by Russian and Cubans authorities. Both agencies regard the JFKA as a propaganda event, and both answer to autocratic governments. Truth be told, we see a black box when we look at the KGB and G2. We don't know what we don't know.

2. The Katzenbach memo.

3. LBJ's concerns, legitimate or otherwise, about WWIII being triggered should LHO be linked to KGB or G2.

4. Specter fashioned the SBT not to answer to wound patterns on JFK and Gov. JBC, but as the only even plausible  explanation, if a single shooter was a premise. Specter worked backward, assuming a single shooter. He said so.

5. You correctly note the WC had to rely on FBI and CIA investigators. But my understanding is Hoover decided LHO had acted alone, and the CIA may have been trying to cover up how riddled it was with KGB'ers (Victor Marchetti's suspicion). Bruce Solie did not want an investigation into the CIA.

6. The WC may not have decided to totally hand over investigations to the FBI and CIA, but it happened by default. Of course, at the time, it made sense. After all, the FBI was investigative agency, and the WC mostly lawyers. But the FBI-investigative agency had roughly settled on LHO as LN.

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I agree the HSCA pursued an roughly independent investigation (albeit leads were growing cold), though it should be noted Robert Blakey, a Mob-hunter and author of the RICO act, was big on the US Mafia having perped the JFKA, and even co-authored a book to that effect. I can't say I've read every document produced by the HSCA, but they did not seem to hunting LHO's foreign connections---although the HSCA did conclude there had been a JFKA conspiracy.

Worth noting: The HSCA did not produce anything to suggest CIA'ers were involved in the JFKA. If I recollect correctly, they even absolved US agencies of involvement.

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I think Gus Russo's work is interesting. I stand by my sentiments that the CIA has been looked by the JFKA research community in minute detail, but the community still offers only speculation as to CIA'er involvement in the JFKA. Bill Harvey, etc. And? What? Then they fashion the MIC-globalist capitalists wanted perma-war, blah blah, blah argument.

Alpha 66 is an interesting angle--I think overlooked as the JFKA research community wants a huge conspiracy, not a small one.

Russo's work more interesting, in part as far less is known about the KGB and G2. LHO appears to have been having smarmy connections to G2'ers, including in Mexico City (the ambassador there thought there was more to the LHO-G2 story than got out).

Well, that is what I think.

[Tom Graves]

KGB and G2 records have not been examined, except as allowed by Russian and Cubans authorities. Both agencies regard the JFKA as a propaganda event, and both answer to autocratic governments. Truth be told, we see a black box when we look at the KGB and G2. We don't know what we don't know.

But . . . but . . . but . . . . why would "former" KGB officers Oleg "'Bagley's 'Spy Wars' Is Absurd Trash" Kalugin, Oleg Gordievsky, and Oleg Nechiporenko, et al., lie to us?

THE COLD WAR IS OVER AND WE WON!!!

Isn't that right, Steve M.?

(LOL)

https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames

[Benjamin Cole]

TG-

In general, I agree with your sentiments, that the KGB, and successor agencies, and Moscow, are not now and never have been nice guys.

Castro and G2 were both considered very dangerous in the 1960s as well, with murder ever on the agenda.

Putin's/Moscow's true colors have been revealed in Ukraine, where perhaps there are a million dead, and whole sections of the nation ravaged beyond repair, and yet Putin still will not stop. Another million dead is on the menu. The numbers have become so large they have lost meaning.

The same college kids wearing keffiyehs and screaming about Palestine appear apathetic and dunce-ified when it comes to Ukraine. There may be 20 to 30 times the carnage in Ukraine than in Gaza. Maybe more.

But who is financing social-influencer campaigns, and US academia? Putin and Tehran.

Oliver Stone is Putin puppet, and does not want to change.

James DiEugenio is using his substack to write about the USS Liberty.

It is getting ugly out there.

[Tom Graves]

TG-

In general, I agree with your sentiments, that the KGB, and successor agencies, and Moscow, are not now and never have been nice guys.

Castro and G2 were both considered very dangerous in the 1960s as well, with murder ever on the agenda.

Putin's/Moscow's true colors have been revealed in Ukraine, where perhaps there are a million dead, and whole sections of the nation ravaged beyond repair, and yet Putin still will not stop. Another million dead is on the menu. The numbers have become so large they have lost meaning.

The same college kids wearing keffiyehs and screaming about Palestine appear apathetic and dunce-ified when it comes to Ukraine. There may be 20 to 30 times the carnage in Ukraine than in Gaza. Maybe more.

But who is financing social-influencer campaigns, and US academia? Putin and Tehran.

Oliver Stone is Putin puppet, and does not want to change.

James DiEugenio is using his substack to write about the USS Liberty.

It is getting ugly out there.

It's been ugly ever since 1959 when the KGB, influenced by the teachings of Sun Tzu, set up deception-based Department D in the First Chief Directorate (today's SVR) and deception-based Department 14 in the Second Chief Directorate (today's FSB), and General Gribanov in the latter, as soon as he had trapped Penkovsky "like a bear in its den," sent Polyakov to the FBI's NYC field office in November 1961 and Kulak there a month or two later to form "monster plot" CIA-controlling feedback loops with probable moles Bruce Solie and Leonard V. McCoy in the CIA.

Regardless, you may find this article from 2016 interesting.

Or maybe not.

HE WRITES ABOUT CUBANS!

https://kyleorton.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/benjamin-fischer-2016-doubles-troubles-the-cia-and-double-agents-during-the-cold-war.pdf

Page 52:

"Eleven blue borders were earmarked for three Presidents. As one newspaper reported, 'Some key officials in the CIA’s Directorate of Operations know their stuff is tainted, know it comes from agents who have been compromised, and yet put it in channels leading right to the White House.’'23 The SE/CE [formerly known as the Soviet Russia Division] Division’s senior reports officer [Robert Lubbehusen with whom probable mole Leonard V. McCoy and worked; look him up] reportedly claimed that the sources of the blue-border documents were suspect but that the information was still good."

Page 58:

"The case of Polyakov, a GRU officer, is ambiguous. A former KGB general [Sergey Kondrashev, with whom Tennent H. Bagley wrote the 2013 book, "Spymaster"] claims that he was involved in an operation to dangle Polyakov to the FBI in New York in the 1960s [November 1961]. The Bureau handed Polyakov over to the CIA after Polyakov was reposted to Rangoon], which continued meeting him intermittingly for almost 20 years during his foreign assignments. At some point, according to the ex-KGB officer, Polyakov switched sides and began cooperating with the CIA. The Soviet press reported that he was executed.56"

[Benjamin Cole]

TG--

I enjoyed the article by Benjamin Fischer. Double agents!

Given how infused the Cuban exile community was with G2'ers and assets, I keep an open mind as to who LHO's confederates were on 11/22 (if any).