Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145

[Royell Storing]

What's your definition of "very early"?

   Putting the JFK Limo (E) of the sidewalk is getting close to the Island. That's "very early" for a 1st shot.

[Tom Graves]

Putting the JFK limo east of the sidewalk is getting close to the Island. That's "very early" for a 1st shot.

What do you mean by "east of the sidewalk" and "close to the island"?

[Charles Collins]

   Compare the final frames of the Towner film that show the JFK Limo vs the Zapruder Film frame where the JFK Limo pops onto the film. You can also use the physical position of Willis to figure out the position of the JFK Limo on Elm St.
   That sidewalk is extremely close to the Tall Monument. And the tall monument is very close to the Island. Just look at the Darnell Film showing Baker's Motorcycle. Officer Baker quickly went from his motorcycle to running across the island. This tells you how close all of these landmarks are to each other. You put the JFK Limo on the (E) side of the sidewalk and it is not even close to completing the turn onto Elm.   

Going from memory only, the Willis4 photo was taken at about Z137. Which is very close to the beginning of the Zapruder film segment (at Z133). The Willis4 photo was taken at an angle close to perpendicular to the line of travel of the limo. It shows the tall pillar monument, and that JFK has not reached that monument yet. Tina Towner’s film ends close to 1-second before the Willis4 photo was taken. Yet the angle of Tina Towner to the limo makes it look like JFK had already passed the tall monument. Plot the various positions of the limo and photographers on an overhead map view of Dealey Plaza. Don Roberdeau’s map will suffice for this. The geometry of the angles and resulting backgrounds beyond the limo should become apparent. The understanding of this effect is critical if you want to try to understand what the photographic record actually shows. If you want to contend that there is an unexplained problem with the photographic record, then please take this effect into consideration.

[Royell Storing]

Going from memory only, the Willis4 photo was taken at about Z137. Which is very close to the beginning of the Zapruder film segment (at Z133). The Willis4 photo was taken at an angle close to perpendicular to the line of travel of the limo. It shows the tall pillar monument, and that JFK has not reached that monument yet. Tina Towner’s film ends close to 1-second before the Willis4 photo was taken. Yet the angle of Tina Towner to the limo makes it look like JFK had already passed the tall monument. Plot the various positions of the limo and photographers on an overhead map view of Dealey Plaza. Don Roberdeau’s map will suffice for this. The geometry of the angles and resulting backgrounds beyond the limo should become apparent. The understanding of this effect is critical if you want to try to understand what the photographic record actually shows. If you want to contend that there is an unexplained problem with the photographic record, then please take this effect into consideration. Towner claims to have been pulled to the ground after she Stopped filming. Her film shows she Stopped filming and by her account was pulled down onto the ground, WELL AFTER this alleged early shot was fired.   

   I am not sure what Towner Film you are looking at. Please use the You Tube posting done by "The JFK Theorist". He provides the Sixth Floor Museum copy of the Towner Film. Very clear and between the sprocket holes. On THAT copy of the Towner Film, you can see the 5th column of the pergola (from R-L). The Tall Monument is completely out of the film at this point. Again, you put the JFK Limo on the (E) side of the sidewalk and you are very close to the Island that Officer Baker ran across as he headed for the TSBD. You are very close to the Elm St Ext.  You are forgetting how SMALL Dealey Plaza physically is, along with the extended length of the JFK Limo.   

[Charles Collins]

   I am not sure what Towner Film you are looking at. Please use the You Tube posting done by "The JFK Theorist". He provides the Sixth Floor Museum copy of the Towner Film. Very clear and between the sprocket holes. On THAT copy of the Towner Film, you can see the 5th column of the pergola (from R-L). The Tall Monument is completely out of the film at this point. Again, you put the JFK Limo on the (E) side of the sidewalk and you are very close to the Island that Officer Baker ran across as he headed for the TSBD. You are very close to the Elm St Ext.  You are forgetting how SMALL Dealey Plaza physically is, along with the extended length of the JFK Limo.

Here’s the overhead map view that shows both Tina Towner’s line of sight and Willis’ line of sight. It’s all spelled out for you now.

[Royell Storing]

Here’s the overhead map view that shows both Tina Towner’s line of sight and Willis’ line of sight. It’s all spelled out for you now.

   You claim that the JFK Limo is (E) of the sidewalk. Yet, the Towner Film shows the JFK Limo and the Tall Monument is completely absent from those same Towner Film frames. There is No Way the Limo can allegedly be (E) of the sidewalk and Not include images of the Tall Monument. If you are standing at the bottom of the sidewalk that runs down from the (E) Pergola Shelter, you can almost reach out and touch that Tall Monument. This is how physically close the Tall Monument is to that sidewalk.

[Charles Collins]

   You claim that the JFK Limo is (E) of the sidewalk. Yet, the Towner Film shows the JFK Limo and the Tall Monument is completely absent from those same Towner Film frames. There is No Way the Limo can allegedly be (E) of the sidewalk and Not include images of the Tall Monument. If you are standing at the bottom of the sidewalk that runs down from the (E) Pergola Shelter, you can almost reach out and touch that Tall Monument. This is how physically close the Tall Monument is to that sidewalk.

Watch Tina Towner’s film and you can see the Tall Monument right up until just before the final frames.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8zkNbjsu7X/



The tall monument disappears off of the right side of the film due to Tina’s panning motion from her right to left. The field of view of the camera Tina was using is roughly depicted in Mark Tyler’s animation by the yellow cone. Mark’s animation isn’t precise enough to show that the cone pans slightly more to Tina’s left such that, in the final frames, the tall monument has disappeared just slightly out of the field of view. But if you watch the video it is quite apparent. Notice that in the angle of the overhead view of the animation JFK has not reached the end of the pergola sidewalk yet but from Tina’s angle it seems that he has passed it. The overhead angle is what I am describing when saying JFK has not yet reached the end of that sidewalk.

[Royell Storing]

Watch Tina Towner’s film and you can see the Tall Monument right up until just before the final frames.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8zkNbjsu7X/



The tall monument disappears off of the right side of the film due to Tina’s panning motion from her right to left. The field of view of the camera Tina was using is roughly depicted in Mark Tyler’s animation by the yellow cone. Mark’s animation isn’t precise enough to show that the cone pans slightly more to Tina’s left such that, in the final frames, the tall monument has disappeared just slightly out of the field of view. But if you watch the video it is quite apparent. Notice that in the angle of the overhead view of the animation JFK has not reached the end of the pergola sidewalk yet but from Tina’s angle it seems that he has passed it. The overhead angle is what I am describing when saying JFK has not yet reached the end of that sidewalk.

   Why would I STOP watching the Towner film before the final frames? Towner claimed she heard the 1st shot After she stopped filming. It was at this point she was pulled down onto the ground. The final frames of the Towner Film Do NOT show the tall monument. These final frames do show the JFK Limo. This proves the position of the JFK Limo is NOT (E) of the sidewalk on those final frames. You continue posting the Tyler "animation". That is exactly what it is. "Animation". I prefer to rely on the real thing. The actual Towner Film. Based on that "animation", you have to place the JFK Limo well inside 3rd lane to remove the tall monument from the Towner Film. The placement of the JFK Limo in this lane defies every other image of the JFK Limo on Elm St.