Why did Oswald go to the movies?

[Ray Mitcham]

Exactly, all I did was quote Dougherty and Fratini went ballistic.

Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did.
Mr. BALL - Who said that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.
Mr. BALL - When did Shelley tell you that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, it was--the day after it happened.

And btw, Frazier saw Oswald carrying the package and entering the Annex door which was not the same door that Dougherty saw.





JohnM

Hearsay doesn't count as you know, John.

Strange that Shelley never mentioned even seeing Oswald when he arrived at the TSBD.
 
Mr. BALL - On the 22d of November 1963, did you see him come to work that morning?
Mr. SHELLEY - No, he was at work when I got there already filling orders.

How could he have seen him holding a bag?

[John Iacoletti]

Kudos to Buell for putting his family first
Like Brennan did

And a damn good reason for claiming the bag
was too small to contain a rifle. See Buell confirm
those fears below, and protect his best bud at
the same time.

Another twofer 

I'll remember that the next time you do your usual grandstanding about calling witnesses liars.

His first marriage ended in 1987 and he re-married in 1988. He is now retired from his job with the Lewisville School Board where as a receiving clerk he was responsible for stocking schools with equipment and furniture.

You're aware, aren't you, that Lewisville is a suburb of Dallas?  And to this day he has never wavered from what the bag he saw looked like.  Are you suggesting that he's still "afraid for his family"?

[John Iacoletti]

Dougherty did say that though.

Yes, but Shelley never did.

You know what else Dougherty said?

"I didn't see anything in his hands at the time"

[Richard Smith]

Yes, but Shelley never did.

You know what else Dougherty said?

"I didn't see anything in his hands at the time"

I guess that rules out Oswald carrying his lunch - as he claimed - or a two foot long bag which you previously swore must be the gospel truth since Frazier said so.  Oh well, narrative consistency was never an issue for you.  It can be true if you want it to be in one instance and false in another.  That is the definition of a lazy contrarian.

[Bill Chapman]

I'll remember that the next time you do your usual grandstanding about calling witnesses liars.

You're aware, aren't you, that Lewisville is a suburb of Dallas?  And to this day he has never wavered from what the bag he saw looked like.  Are you suggesting that he's still "afraid for his family"?

How is pointing out that you and others deign to inform readers what witnesses really saw or really said or what they really would have done qualify as 'grandstanding' on my part, exactly?

I put family before everything... same as Buell did, as we've seen. And Brennan. Maybe contact the man who interviewed Buell for the article. Anyway, Buell said so in the article. Is he fearful for his family now? Ask him... you claim you 'talked' to him FFS.

Of course Bueller never wavered from his description of the bag. Duh. Read the article and discover that he didn't want to be remembered as the man who delivered the prime suspect to the eventual scene of the crime. And find that he lost a job over that.

You're aware, aren't you, that Buell joined the army and lived in Denver, Colorado and Portland, Oregan. Pretty sure those locations aren't Dallas suburbs.

[John Iacoletti]

I guess that rules out Oswald carrying his lunch - as he claimed - or a two foot long bag which you previously swore must be the gospel truth since Frazier said so.

When did I ever swear this must be the gospel truth since Frazier said so?  Do you ever get tired of making things up?

Can you prove that Oswald carried CE 142 into the building and that it had CE 139 inside it?  Or can you not?

[John Iacoletti]

How is pointing out that you and others deign to inform readers what witnesses really saw or really said or what they really would have done qualify as 'grandstanding' on my part, exactly?

You have no qualms about deciding for Frazier that he intentionally misrepresented the bag he saw.

You're aware, aren't you, that Buell joined the army and lived in Denver, Colorado and Portland, Oregan. Pretty sure those locations aren't Dallas suburbs.

Answer the questions, Bill. Why did he move back to a Dallas suburb and have an entire career there if he moved away to "protect his family"? And if he intentionally misrepresented the bag in 1963 "to protect his family", why does he still say it wasn't the same bag?